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Car Forum / Volkswagen / Air Cooled Volkswagen Cars / July 2009

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Should I Add a Zinc Oil Additive?

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Jim Ed - 15 Jun 2009 18:54 GMT
I was reading on this group about zinc being removed from today's
motor oil.
...something about that this causes wear in pre-1989 engines with flat
lifters.

I usually use Castrol 30HD in Spring and Fall, Castrol 40HD in Summer,
and Castrol 10 W30 in Winter in my 1973 Beetle.

Would you recommend this additive?

http://www.eastwood.com/zddp-plus-oil-additive-3-pack.html

Thanks In Advance!
Randall - 16 Jun 2009 02:44 GMT
> I was reading on this group about zinc being removed from today's
> motor oil.
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>
> Thanks In Advance!

8 bucks for 4 oz. added to every 4-5 quarts of oil doesn't seem like a
cost effective way of combating the problem of not having ZDDP in
today's (non-racing) motor oil. It would be better to buy oil that
already has that ingredient in it.

Here's the viewpoint of Jake Raby, a highly respected VW engine builder,
 on his website. See the 2nd post there.
http://forums.aircooledtechnology.com/showthread.php?t=3378

This site http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html#Z25 has more information
than a person can absorb in one sitting. There are a few FAQs
specifically on ZDDP. The site also recommends three brands of oil with
ZDDP in them.

-- Randall
P.J.Berg - 16 Jun 2009 03:13 GMT
>> I was reading on this group about zinc being removed from today's
>> motor oil.
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> -- Randall

Or simply buy a Diesel spec oil which still contains Zinc..

J.

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Randall - 16 Jun 2009 06:57 GMT
>> 8 bucks for 4 oz. added to every 4-5 quarts of oil doesn't seem like a
>> cost effective way of combating the problem of not having ZDDP in
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> J.

According to this site, here is an explanation why diesel engine oils
shouldn't be used in gasoline engines.
http://www.cam-shield.com/acatalog/diesel.html

Also, what was true about the ZDDP content in diesel oil a year ago
isn't true today. The current diesel oil that meets the API CJ-4
classification has reduced levels of ZDDP compared to the previous CI-4.
Check out the last paragraph at:
http://www.zddplus.com/TechBrief6%20-%20Diesel%20Oil%20Use%20in%20Classic%20and%
20High-Performance%20Gasoline%20Engines.pdf


-- Randall
John - 16 Jun 2009 10:11 GMT
I,ve been using an oil claimed to suit petrol and "light diesel engines".
Trying to put aside the placebo effect I,ve noticed that starting isnt
accompanied by the same noises as the usual petrol only. Definitely seems
quieter.
                        John
Jim Ed - 01 Jul 2009 21:00 GMT
> >> 8 bucks for 4 oz. added to every 4-5 quarts of oil doesn't seem like a
> >> cost effective way of combating the problem of not having ZDDP in
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> > Or simply buy a Diesel spec oil which still contains Zinc..

 Does that mean that the Shell Rotella oil they sell in local stores
does not have the zinc additive?

It would seem that adding the ZDDP (Plus) additive or Brad Penn oil
with zinc would best the best ways to go.
 What about Royal Purple?

http://www.amazon.com/Grade-20W50-Partially-Synthetic-Motor/dp/B001HO35DW/ref=sr
_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1246476918&sr=1-1


http://www.royalpurple.com/

I would like to be able to buy it at a local store.

> > J.
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> -- Randall
Jim Ed - 01 Jul 2009 21:05 GMT
> >> 8 bucks for 4 oz. added to every 4-5 quarts of oil doesn't seem like a
> >> cost effective way of combating the problem of not having ZDDP in
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>
> -- Randall


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 Does that mean that the Shell Rotella oil they sell in local stores
is for diesel engines that make a lot of soot and reduces the ZDDP to
a level not satisfactory for gasoline engines?

It would seem that adding the ZDDP (Plus) additive or even better
using Brad Penn oil with zinc would best the best ways to go.

 What about Royal Purple?

http://www.amazon.com/Grade-20W50-Partially-Synthetic-Motor/dp/B001HO35DW/ref=sr
_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1246476918&sr=1-1


http://www.royalpurple.com/

I would like to be able to buy it at a local store.
P.J.Berg - 02 Jul 2009 02:41 GMT
>> >> 8 bucks for 4 oz. added to every 4-5 quarts of oil doesn't seem like  
>> a
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> I would like to be able to buy it at a local store.

It means the Rotella has the desired zink content, does not soot(the  
diesel itself does that) and stands up to the extreme bearing load a big  
diesel goes through.
Yes, there are non diesel spec oils on the market which works well, Royal  
purple has been mentioned, as have other small U.s. only companies.

Rotella has been around for a long time being made(blended) by a well  
known company.
It is your money and your choice..

If you care to read through some of Rabys writings and less than  
scientific testing(he swears to hands on..), he has come up with a small  
U.s. blender which supposedly is great, his words not mine..

J.
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Bill - 05 Jul 2009 03:51 GMT
> > >> 8 bucks for 4 oz. added to every 4-5 quarts of oil doesn't seem like a
> > >> cost effective way of combating the problem of not having ZDDP in
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I think the point is this:
If you have lots of money &/or just like to know that you have the
latest and greatest motor oil in your sump (& there's nothing wrong
with either) then there's really no argument to be made.  My point was
based on value/price vs. the effective life of the motor oil.  With
typical carb setups, any oil you put in there will have to be changed
in a relatively short time due to fuel contamination.  While some of
the botique oils might not shear down as quickly, they'll still have
to be changed at a short OCI.  Among the more reasonably priced oils,
the HDEO's for big-rigs are (IMO) the best, because they have to meet
the heavy demands of commercially operated diesel engines and don't
have to concern themself as much with negative effects on gasoline
auto cat converters.  Certainly,  some of the "true" synthetics like
Mobil1 15-50, RP, Amsoil, Redline, etc. are great oils, but maybe not
great enough to stretch out an OCI in a carbed motor when the same
money can buy multiple 5-gallon jugs of good HDEO allowing numerous
oil changes for the same (or less) money.
JMO.
Bill.
Bill - 17 Jun 2009 04:50 GMT
> Or simply buy a Diesel spec oil which still contains Zinc..
>
> J.
This is the way to go.  The "good stuff" usually comes in 1gal or 5qt
(Walmart) jugs, since this is how the big-rig guys buy the stuff.
I've used Shell Rotella straight 30wt in aircooled VW and 4cyl
Porsches and it works well and is cheap.  The cheap part is important,
because if you have a carb(s) your oil is going to be comtaminated
with fuel in a relatively short time.  The point is that an expensive
full synthetic or "racing" oil will need changing before any cost
benefit can be realized.  The so-called HDEOs are such bargains that
you can change them at very frequent intervals.  I also have a couple
of friends who track their early 911's and use either the Shell or
Delo 15-40wt  with great success and aren't afraid to change their oil
after 2 track days (one of the cars, with trombone oil cooler, holds
14+qts!)
Bill.
P.J.Berg - 17 Jun 2009 06:15 GMT
>> Or simply buy a Diesel spec oil which still contains Zinc..
>>
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> 14+qts!)
> Bill.

Yes, it was the Rotella I had in mind. Even sold under the same name up  
here.

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Jim Ed - 16 Jun 2009 20:43 GMT
Since I already had almost a case of Castrol on the shelf, I went
ahead and ordered 3 bottles of ZDDP (plus) today.
They charged me $9.95 for ground shipping which brought the total to
$34.24.

> I was reading on this group about zinc being removed from today's
> motor oil.
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>
> Thanks In Advance!
 
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