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Car Forum / Volkswagen / Air Cooled Volkswagen Cars / July 2007

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the transaxle blues: all your gears are belong to us

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scott@nospam.com - 27 Jul 2007 02:38 GMT
I have a sandrail, 1776 turbo with a swingaxle. The swingaxle has been acting
up a bit this year, being difficult to put into reverse (usually it takes a
brisk throw of the shifter, plus holding it in place, and eventually it still
pops out of reverse). It's also had a few instances of popping out of first,
and once today it popped out of second. I've been kinda ignoring the problem.

Then all of a sudden today while curising down the beach there was a clunk
and it lost all gears. The shifter 'feels' like it is shifting correctly, but
I get a grinding/vibration noise that sounds like it's coming from the left
side of the case and almost no power to the wheels. It's the same in all four
gears. There is a little bit of power still being transmitted to the wheels,
perhaps enough to move it on pavement or level sand. It had to be towed in.

Anyhow, to make a long story short, I'm wondering where the problem lies
(i'll probably know when I dig into it). The 'popping out of gear' issues
sound like the gear carrier and shifter, but the fact that it
catastrophically lost all gears at once makes me think something went wrong
with a common part, like the the differential.

Finally, is there any chance (before I tear the thing out, which is always a
pain with a swingaxle) that it's a shifter issue? I'm under the assumption
that a misaligned/misadjusted shifter usually only affects a gear or two, and
wouldn't normally cause the loss of all gears. Is there anything I can tell
by removing the nosecone without having to tear into the guts of the
transaxle itself? My sole experience with transaxles has been in the
differential area; I've never worked with the gear carrier or nosecone.

Thanks,
Scott

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Speedy Jim - 27 Jul 2007 03:00 GMT
> I have a sandrail, 1776 turbo with a swingaxle. The swingaxle has been acting
> up a bit this year, being difficult to put into reverse (usually it takes a
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> Thanks,
> Scott

Before you tear out the tranny, do this test:

Brakes on.
Hubcaps off (if there are any).
Engine idling in 1st gear.
Clutch engaged.

Now, look at each rear axle castle nut.
Is one of them spinning?
If so, the splines on that drum have worn off.

It's a long shot but easily overlooked...

Speedy Jim
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scott@nospam.com - 27 Jul 2007 04:15 GMT
> Now, look at each rear axle castle nut.
> Is one of them spinning?
> If so, the splines on that drum have worn off.
>
> It's a long shot but easily overlooked...

Unbelievable! I was just out there fidgiting with the wheels, noticed the
drums were loose, pulled one and found exactly what you described! Both drums
appear to be loose, but only one has the splines almost completely gone.

Any idea why it happened? Did I not tighten things down all the way, or do
these things just happen?

Can I buy a better drum with splines all the way instead of just at the very
end? I have a pair like that in my junk pile, but they appear to be less
thick and narrower diameter than the ones mounted on the rail. Both are 4-
bolt drums. The ones that I'm using now (with the splines only part way) are
2-piece units with the hub and drum being seperate.

This is very good news, I was really dreading having to mess with that
transaxle again.

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Speedy Jim - 27 Jul 2007 14:03 GMT
>>Now, look at each rear axle castle nut.
>>Is one of them spinning?
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> This is very good news, I was really dreading having to mess with that
> transaxle again.

Well done!

Splines wear when the axle nut is not tight
to spec: 250 to 275 Foot-Lbs.

Can't help with a source for new ones.

Jim
dave AKA vwdoc1 - 28 Jul 2007 01:21 GMT
Squareback rear brakes?

>>>Now, look at each rear axle castle nut.
>>>Is one of them spinning?
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>
> Jim
scott@nospam.com - 29 Jul 2007 06:29 GMT
> Squareback rear brakes?

I took them to two shops. The first identified them (correctly) as type-3
hubs, the two-part kind with the hub and drum seperate. They didn't have any
in stock, and said they are rare, but think they can order them. As whey were
on a sandrail, with a type-I motor and swingaxle, we weren't completely sure
if they were unmodified, so we're going to have to get a set and compare to
make sure the hubs weren't milled down to size or anything funny.

The second shop replied "them aint VW brakes 'cuz VW don't make no two-piece
drums". I gave up on this shop. :)

Funny

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