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Did I burn/damage my clutch today

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Sam - 06 May 2004 03:54 GMT
I have a 2003 TDI with 30, 000 km. I don't know what I was thinking this
evening.  My wife was giving me a hard time in the car.  I was on a hill
stopped waiting to turn right.  I was in 2nd gear.  I should've been in 1st.
I wasn't moving so I added more gas and more gas.  The clutch started
smoking and ugly smell started happening.  I went to around 4500 rpm.

I feel like I somebody hit me in the groin area.  I can't believe this
happened.

How likely is it that  my clutch is fried?

Thanks
Sam
jimbehning@doesthisblockporkmindspring.com - 06 May 2004 04:25 GMT
If it drives ok then keep driving. What ever damage you did was done.
If it chatters a lot when leaving in first gear then decide if you
want to replace it.  But you did the clutch no favors. Just figure a
new clutch pack with new flywheel, disk and pressure plate and 6 hours
labor. See last weeks post on $1300 clutch job to get for feel for
your oops.

>I have a 2003 TDI with 30, 000 km. I don't know what I was thinking this
>evening.  My wife was giving me a hard time in the car.  I was on a hill
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>Thanks
>Sam

Jim B.
Sam - 06 May 2004 06:00 GMT
Thanks, now my gut hurts even more.

: If it drives ok then keep driving. What ever damage you did was done.
: If it chatters a lot when leaving in first gear then decide if you
: want to replace it.  But you did the clutch no favors. Just figure a
: new clutch pack with new flywheel, disk and pressure plate and 6 hours
: labor. See last weeks post on $1300 clutch job to get for feel for
: your oops.
JD - 06 May 2004 04:35 GMT
Sam,

I start in 2nd all the time even on hills; I'm a scatterbrain driver.  My
clutch still works no problem.

I think that you'll find that your clutch is fried if it starts slipping -
that usually happens in the higher gears, after which you can just drive to
a shop in a lower gear, i.e. don't use 5th.

I wouldn't sweat it too much

cheers,

Jd
> I have a 2003 TDI with 30, 000 km. I don't know what I was thinking this
> evening.  My wife was giving me a hard time in the car.  I was on a hill
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> Thanks
> Sam
Sam - 06 May 2004 06:01 GMT
Thanks, my stomach is beginning to feel better.

: Sam,
:
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:
: cheers,
jimbehning@doesthisblockporkmindspring.com - 06 May 2004 12:52 GMT
I smoked a clutch once trying to get a Camero up on ramps. I think the
clutch was already dying. The car got an automatic as part of my
brother's engine/tranny swap. Don't let my first comments worry you.
Just don't keep doing that. I know real quick if I am in the wrong
gear because my light throttle starts will bog out the car when in the
wrong gear or it will stall the car. The wife is usually around when I
do that and she derives great amusement. If you are really having to
mash the throttle a lot to start you had better be climbing a big hill
or have a suv with a bumper at rear window level 6 inches behind you.

>Thanks, my stomach is beginning to feel better.
>
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>:
>: cheers,

Jim B.
Mike Smith - 31 May 2004 00:44 GMT
>I smoked a clutch once trying to get a Camero up on ramps. I think the
>clutch was already dying. The car got an automatic as part of my
>brother's engine/tranny swap. Don't let my first comments worry you.

Man, that sucks, I would junk the car if anyone stuck an auto in mine.

>Just don't keep doing that. I know real quick if I am in the wrong
>gear because my light throttle starts will bog out the car when in the

How about just paying attention, I have never doen anything as stupid
as that.  Sure I have left it in higher gears before, but you find out
pretty quick that it is in the wrong gear, you'd have to be a fool to
not hit the clutch and stick it in first.

>wrong gear or it will stall the car. The wife is usually around when I
>do that and she derives great amusement. If you are really having to
>mash the throttle a lot to start you had better be climbing a big hill
>or have a suv with a bumper at rear window level 6 inches behind you.

Buy a bigger car or stay home
Tony Bad - 06 May 2004 05:55 GMT
> I have a 2003 TDI with 30, 000 km. I don't know what I was thinking this
> evening.  My wife was giving me a hard time in the car.  I was on a hill
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> Thanks
> Sam

I wouldn't worry so much. You didn't do good things to the clutch, but one
mistake usually won't kill it. I bought my 79 rabbit new in Canada, and in
getting it home, crossed over on a small ferry. The road getting off was a big
gravel hill, and I was praying everyone wouldn't stop, as my experience on hills
was limited. Well, the traffic stopped, and I was forced to start on the
hill...I think I slipped the clutch and had the thing floored all the way up.
Got that nasty clutch smell...but the clutch lasted until there was 220,000
miles on the car.

If you normally drive carefully, don't worry...just leave the wife home next
time  (;^P) (we can say that since she isn't here!)

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Sam - 06 May 2004 06:01 GMT
: I wouldn't worry so much. You didn't do good things to the clutch, but one
: mistake usually won't kill it. I bought my 79 rabbit new in Canada, and in
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: If you normally drive carefully, don't worry...just leave the wife home next
: time  (;^P) (we can say that since she isn't here!)

Thanks for the reassurance.  We'll take her car the next time we go out.
:-)
PJ4LIFE - 06 May 2004 05:59 GMT
Dude, I seriously doubt it!  Don't feel so bad I'm sure it's fine.
> I have a 2003 TDI with 30, 000 km. I don't know what I was thinking this
> evening.  My wife was giving me a hard time in the car.  I was on a hill
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Thanks
> Sam
Don Mac Phee - 06 May 2004 11:21 GMT
> I have a 2003 TDI with 30, 000 km. I don't know what I was thinking this
> evening.  My wife was giving me a hard time in the car.  I was on a hill
> stopped waiting to turn right.  I was in 2nd gear.  I should've been in 1st.
> I wasn't moving so I added more gas and more gas.  The clutch started
> smoking and ugly smell started happening.  I went to around 4500 rpm.

> I feel like I somebody hit me in the groin area.  I can't believe this
> happened.

> How likely is it that  my clutch is fried?

Number one thing that destroys clutches: Riding the clutch.
Number two "                          "  Riding the clutch.
etc..
etc.

The way to tell if you clutch is fried:

1) It's hard shifting into a gear.
2) It chatters on take off.
3) The engine goes faster in a tall gear (say 5th) with no noticable
increase in speed.
4) It continues to smell.

Always remember these fine safety tips from Igon when in a similar
situation.

1) Stop.
2) Tell the wife to get out.
3) When satisfied you have the momentary upper hand in the relationship (its
fleetingly transient, I assure you.) resume travel and resume arguement.
(Necessarily in that order.)

It's cheaper.

Oh... and 1300 is a bit ridiculous for a clutch.  Even if its in that
Monopoly money known as Canadian dollars... ;)

And remember RPMs kill clutches on engagement.  Practice speed matching your
shifts, and your clutch can last a lifetime. (I know...  I had to replace a
clutch in a Jeep (Bloody slave cylinder let go), and the mechanic pulled it
apart.  He offered to put the original pressure plate back in, because it
was seemingly brand new (OEM parts.)  No warpage, the clutch was almost new
(save for the oil soaked pads) and that was at 170,000 miles. (280K
kilometers?))
Brian Running - 06 May 2004 16:32 GMT
> The clutch started
> smoking and ugly smell started happening.  I went to around 4500 rpm.
>
> How likely is it that  my clutch is fried?

I smoked a clutch trying to get a car on ramps, once.  For a while
afterwards, it would be "grabby" on take-off in first gear, but eventually,
it got back to normal again.  I assume the burned portions wore off, and it
got back to smooth-engaging, unburned material.  I ran that car another
60,000 miles before selling it, and the clutch still worked fine at that
point.  I wouldn't sweat it if I were you.
 
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