On Thu, 27 May 2004 00:31:57 GMT, "Fred Fartalot"
<fred22glt@hotmail.com> wrote:
>If I get what I pay for I am always happy but Amsoil oil is the biggest
scam
>out there!
>This stuff is not even API certified for use in vehicle made by U.S.
>manufacturers.
>Thats why major retailers won't even sell it and only suckers who read this
>kind of email spam will buy it.
You'd think if their oil was so damned good, they'd fork over the $$
to get the certification. Evidenlty they have money and time to spend
on comparing their oils to other brands, why not the certification?
Maybe 'cuz the comparisons are skewed?? Hell anyone who's ever
studied statistics can tell you how you can massage valid data to
support either side of an argument.
The fact that this snake oil saleman has bullshitted his way in and
out of other groups with his ridiculous tales doesn't help Amsoil's
case Tell us about the oil filter vandals again Mikey. How about the
sand in the transmission story. I always liked that one.
Rex B - 27 May 2004 17:41 GMT
||On Thu, 27 May 2004 00:31:57 GMT, "Fred Fartalot"
||<fred22glt@hotmail.com> wrote:
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||>This stuff is not even API certified for use in vehicle made by U.S.
||>manufacturers.
API specs are dictated by the new car manufacturers. Some years ago - mid 1990s?
- they decided that the anti-wear agents in the then-current spec was not going
to get along with their catalytic converters, so the new API spec required
greatly-reduced wear additives. Oil packagers that wished to maintain the wear
protection had to forego the API certification. This is true of racing oils and
other lubricants where wear protection is more important than catalytic
converter protection.
The point is, lack of API certification doesn't mean it's a bad oil. It can
mean that their target customer has different priorities than the new car
makers.
Texas Parts Guy
Mike Smith - 27 May 2004 18:29 GMT
> Oil packagers that wished to maintain the wear
> protection had to forego the API certification. This is true of racing oils and
> other lubricants where wear protection is more important than catalytic
> converter protection.
> The point is, lack of API certification doesn't mean it's a bad oil.
It may mean that it's no good for your catalytic converter. That maked
it bad in my book.
--
Mike Smith
Rex B - 27 May 2004 21:02 GMT
||Rex B wrote:
||
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||It may mean that it's no good for your catalytic converter. That maked
||it bad in my book.
Many of us have 4-cycle engines with no catalytic converters.
Race cars
power equipment - lawnmrwers etc
tractors
aircraft
special interest vehicles
As a matter of interest, I think you will find most of the new high-mileage oils
do not have API certification. Doesn't make them bad oils, just special
application oils, for applications outside the environment API is designed for.
Texas Parts Guy
Mike Smith - 28 May 2004 15:21 GMT
> ||Rex B wrote:
> ||
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> Many of us have 4-cycle engines with no catalytic converters.
Yeah, fine. This is a *VW* newsgroup, and AFAIK, most if not all
watercooled VWs have catalytic converters.
--
Mike Smith
Rex B - 28 May 2004 20:27 GMT
||Rex B wrote:
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||Yeah, fine. This is a *VW* newsgroup, and AFAIK, most if not all
||watercooled VWs have catalytic converters.
Well, one of "Mine" does not.
If you don't want the information, hit [delete]
Texas Parts Guy
random - 30 May 2004 20:58 GMT
>On Thu, 27 May 2004 00:31:57 GMT, "Fred Fartalot"
><fred22glt@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>Thats why major retailers won't even sell it and only suckers who read this
>>kind of email spam will buy it.
>You'd think if their oil was so damned good, they'd fork over the $$
>to get the certification. Evidenlty they have money and time to spend
>on comparing their oils to other brands, why not the certification?
You know what's really funny? Since Amsoil already has at least one
formulation licensed, it wouldn't cost them *anything* extra in
licensing fees to amend that existing license to cover additional
formulations.