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USSEnterprise - 05 Jan 2007 16:45 GMT
I am looking to register a Canadian 1995 VW Golf in the US,
specifically New Jersey. Could I do this successfully, or would there
be emissions problems?
Matt B. - 06 Jan 2007 01:31 GMT
>I am looking to register a Canadian 1995 VW Golf in the US, specifically
>New Jersey. Could I do this successfully, or would there be emissions
>problems?

It's a guess but I suspect it'd be fine.  the only issue i've heard of
emissions-wise on registering a canadian car in the US was during the time
(1996-ish) when the US went to OBD2 and canada was still on OBD1.  I heard
of that with someone that had a '96 Eurovan from canada ('96 was the first
year that the US went to OBD2) and was looking to register it in
Massachusetts (I think) and they wouldn't pass it on emissions b/c it didn't
have OBD2.  Since you have a '95 I think you'll be OK and the only way you'd
fail is if your car is a polluter to begin with.
eastwardbound2003@yahoo.com - 06 Jan 2007 02:16 GMT
> I am looking to register a Canadian 1995 VW Golf in the US,
> specifically New Jersey. Could I do this successfully, or would there
> be emissions problems?

You are making a big mistake.  Why would you want to drive a
metric/Canadian car in the U.S. for an extended period of time?  The
odometer and the speedometer is in Kilometers.  It's all metric!  If
you get a speeding ticket the more you look guilty because it's harder
to judge actual speed when you have to constantly calculate in your
mind how fast you are actually going.  Converting Kilometers to Miles
in your head the whole time while driving is not fun.

East-
kaboom - 06 Jan 2007 02:39 GMT
>> I am looking to register a Canadian 1995 VW Golf in the US,
>> specifically New Jersey. Could I do this successfully, or would there
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>mind how fast you are actually going.  Converting Kilometers to Miles
>in your head the whole time while driving is not fun.

**Oh c'mon. I'm not sure about 1995s but most of my cars have had both
miles and kilometers on the speedometer. And when I was in Canada and
the sign said: 100 kilometers to the QEW, then I would just look at
the speedometer, find 100 kph and see how many miles it was to the
QEW.

kaboomie
USSEnterprise - 06 Jan 2007 03:02 GMT
The speedometer has both MPH and KPH
> > I am looking to register a Canadian 1995 VW Golf in the US,
> > specifically New Jersey. Could I do this successfully, or would there
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>
> East-
sgallagher@rogers.com - 12 Jan 2007 00:53 GMT
> The speedometer has both MPH and KPH

Note that the proper abbreviation for kilometers per hour
is km/h not KPH.
Matt B. - 12 Jan 2007 04:38 GMT
>> The speedometer has both MPH and KPH
>
> Note that the proper abbreviation for kilometers per hour is km/h not KPH.

makes one wonder why "miles per hour" isn't something like "mi/h" then. ;-P
Mike Smith - 18 Jan 2007 19:48 GMT
>>> The speedometer has both MPH and KPH
>> Note that the proper abbreviation for kilometers per hour is km/h not KPH.
>
> makes one wonder why "miles per hour" isn't something like "mi/h" then. ;-P

Because the mile is not an SI unit?

--
Mike Smith
Matt B. - 19 Jan 2007 07:41 GMT
>>>> The speedometer has both MPH and KPH
>>> Note that the proper abbreviation for kilometers per hour is km/h not
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>
> Because the mile is not an SI unit?

I give up.  What's a "SI unit"?
laura halliday - 19 Jan 2007 19:15 GMT
> >>>> The speedometer has both MPH and KPH
> >>> Note that the proper abbreviation for kilometers per hour is km/h not
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>
> I give up.  What's a "SI unit"?

International System of Units (Syst?me Internationale
d'Unit?s in French, hence the abbreviation). The official
name what what is colloquially called the Metric System.

The meter *is* an SI unit.

http://www.bipm.org/en/si/

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Matt B. - 06 Jan 2007 05:32 GMT
> You are making a big mistake.  Why would you want to drive a
> metric/Canadian car in the U.S. for an extended period of time?  The
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> mind how fast you are actually going.  Converting Kilometers to Miles
> in your head the whole time while driving is not fun.

you gotta be kidding.

1.  it's not THAT hard.  You don't have to recalculate...just remember a few
common ones

100km/h = just over 60mph.

80km/h = about 50 mph

90 km/h = about 55 mph

40 km/h = about 25 mph

Seriously...duh...just those few things will get you by just fine.

2.  you aren't doing it "the whole time while driving".  does the speed
limit change "the whole time while driving"?  no.

and it's not like you can't get new gauge faces or swap the gauge cluster
for a miles-based one.
Papa - 06 Jan 2007 05:35 GMT
<eastwardbound2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message >
> You are making a big mistake.  Why would you want to drive a
> metric/Canadian car in the U.S. for an extended period of time?  The
> odometer and the speedometer is in Kilometers.  It's all metric!

Not true. Cars in both the Canadian and US markets have had MPH and KMH on
their speedometers for at least 20 years.
Papa - 06 Jan 2007 05:40 GMT
Oops, KPH, that is.

> Not true. Cars in both the Canadian and US markets have had MPH and KMH on
> their speedometers for at least 20 years.
laura halliday - 06 Jan 2007 19:31 GMT
> <eastwardbound2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message >
> > You are making a big mistake.  Why would you want to drive a
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> Not true. Cars in both the Canadian and US markets have had MPH and KMH on
> their speedometers for at least 20 years.

One datum: my 1986 Jetta GL, made in Wolfsburg,
has only kilometers on the speedometer.

It also has the Canada-only MZ engine with CIS
injection (no -E), the big leaded gas filler neck and
no catalytic converter, which always causes double
takes at the annual smog check. Which it passes
by ridiculous margins every time...

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Papa - 07 Jan 2007 00:04 GMT
>> <eastwardbound2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message >
>> > You are making a big mistake.  Why would you want to drive a
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> takes at the annual smog check. Which it passes
> by ridiculous margins every time...

Well, my 1988 VW Cabriolet Convertible has both MPH and KPH, includes a
catalytic converter, and has the narrow filler neck for unleaded fuel.
According to the VIN number, it was manufactured at the VW Osnabruck factory
in Germany.
Matt B. - 07 Jan 2007 05:25 GMT
> Well, my 1988 VW Cabriolet Convertible has both MPH and KPH, includes a
> catalytic converter, and has the narrow filler neck for unleaded fuel.
> According to the VIN number, it was manufactured at the VW Osnabruck
> factory in Germany.

FWIW, it's been my experience (speaking in generalities) that:

1.  A car built for a km/h market rarely has the speedo also ticked off in
mph increments.

2.  A car built for a mph market usually (but not always) has the speedo
also ticked off in km/h increments.

That said, if a car was sold in both markets, a gauge change shouldn't be
difficult or prohibitively expensive and it would hardly be a showstopper
for me if I liked the car and wanted to keep it.
Papa - 07 Jan 2007 16:04 GMT
>> Well, my 1988 VW Cabriolet Convertible has both MPH and KPH, includes a
>> catalytic converter, and has the narrow filler neck for unleaded fuel.
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> difficult or prohibitively expensive and it would hardly be a showstopper
> for me if I liked the car and wanted to keep it.
So would I. There is nothing mysterious about the metric system.
Rich Wales - 08 Jan 2007 03:49 GMT
   > A car built for a km/h market rarely has the speedo also
   > ticked off in mph increments.  A car built for a mph market
   > usually (but not always) has the speedo also ticked off in
   > km/h increments.

AFAIK, all vehicles currently manufactured for sale in Canada have
a large speedometer scale in km/h, and a smaller scale in MPH -- a
mirror image of what you see on vehicles built for sale in the US.

US federal motor vehicle rules require an MPH scale to be present
on the speedometer.  The small set of MPH figures on the speedometer
of a Canadian vehicle satisfy this requirement.

There will, as I understand it, need to be a label added near the
odometer, indicating that the reading on the odometer is in km.
(Note that I said "odometer" in this paragraph, not "speedometer".)

There might be other issues to worry about -- seat belts, bumpers,
and the like -- but if the car in question was built reasonably
recently (last several years), chances are it will meet US specs.

The biggest hangup for importing cars from Canada to the US (or from
the US to Canada) used to be conflicting seat belt rules.  However,
now that virtually all cars have air bags for both the driver and
the front-seat passenger, this is unlikely to be a problem any more.

In any case, though, my understanding is that the original poster
will need to get a letter from the vehicle manufacturer, certifying
that the vehicle (identified by make, model, year, and VIN number)
met all US "Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard" (FMVSS) require-
ments that were in effect when it was manufactured, with the possible
exception of minor labelling requirements.  AFAIK, the OP will also
need to submit a form stating that the vehicle meets US EPA rules --
which should be no problem as long as it was originally manufactured
with a catalytic converter, and the cat still works (or has been
replaced with a working cat), and the exhaust system is intact (need
to repair it if it's rusted out from road salt, etc.).

Even if the OP can meet all the requirements for importing his VW,
however, I'd strongly suggest he consider selling it in Canada
and buying a replacement vehicle in the US =unless= the car is in
=excellent= (and I =DO= mean "excellent") condition.  Consider the
following:

(1) If the car is still under warranty, will VW USA honour the
   vehicle's Canadian warranty?  Or will the owner need to pay
   for warranty repairs in the US up front, then submit the
   receipts to VW in Canada for (hopeful, eventual) reimbursement?

(2) Will the owner be able to obtain the proper maintenance or
   replacement parts at a VW dealer in the US?  His Canadian-model
   vehicle will NOT be identical to US models, and it's possible
   that US dealers may not have access to the exact parts (or even
   be capable of looking up the right parts in their electronic
   catalogue systems that are set up only for the specific models
   sold in the States).

(3) Any amount of body rust (a serious concern if the OP is from a
   part of Canada where they routinely salt the roads in winter)
   will =significantly= reduce the car's resale value in the eyes
   of an American would-be buyer.
   
(4) Even if the car is in perfect condition, many American would-be
   buyers are likely to be scared off by the "funny" speedometer/
   odometer in a Canadian car, preferring instead to buy a used
   car with a "regular" instrument panel.  Even though there are
   MPH markings on the speedometer, they're small, and many people
   will consider them too small to read clearly.  And as for the
   odometer, it's always going to be a "weird" reading that most
   American would-be buyers will be confused and suspicious about
   -- no alternate "miles" reading is available here.

(4) Moving a car could be costly -- certainly so if the OP is
   thinking of having it shipped commercially, or even if he's
   planning to drive it to his new home (consider depreciation
   for extra mileage).

So, unless the car is in outstandingly good mechanical shape, with
absolutely =NO= trace whatsoever of body rust damage -- or unless
the owner is hopelessly in love with his car, can't bear to part
with it no matter what the cost, and is determined to hang on to
it until it falls apart or gets totalled -- I'm not sure if it's
really worth going through the paperwork hassle to import it.

Rich Wales            richw@richw.org            http://www.richw.org
Matt B. - 08 Jan 2007 05:23 GMT
> AFAIK, all vehicles currently manufactured for sale in Canada have
> a large speedometer scale in km/h, and a smaller scale in MPH -- a
> mirror image of what you see on vehicles built for sale in the US.

Current, maybe, but back in the mid 1990s (original poster's Golf in
question) this was not required.

> There might be other issues to worry about -- seat belts, bumpers, and the
> like

Good point there.  It took Canada another couple of years to mandate dual
airbags and so if this Golf doesn't have them, that may be an issue.

> In any case, though, my understanding is that the original poster
> will need to get a letter from the vehicle manufacturer, certifying
> that the vehicle (identified by make, model, year, and VIN number)
> met all US "Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard" (FMVSS) require-
> ments that were in effect when it was manufactured, with the possible
> exception of minor labelling requirements.

In short:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/VIG_Canada07032.html
Mike Smith - 06 Jan 2007 14:40 GMT
>> I am looking to register a Canadian 1995 VW Golf in the US,
>> specifically New Jersey. Could I do this successfully, or would there
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> mind how fast you are actually going.  Converting Kilometers to Miles
> in your head the whole time while driving is not fun.

WTF?  What's this "constantly converting" nonsense?  You convert the
*speed limit* on the sign from miles to km, then watch for that speed
(in KM) on the dial.  Besides, aren't Canadian speedos marked in both
miles and km?  That's just a dumb reason not to bring the car over.

--
Mike S
kaboom - 06 Jan 2007 03:44 GMT
>I am looking to register a Canadian 1995 VW Golf in the US,
>specifically New Jersey. Could I do this successfully, or would there
>be emissions problems?

NJ Motor Vehicle Commission

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/index.htm

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Vehicle/ForeignVehicles.htm

To register your vehicle:
"Before you can register a foreign vehicle, you have to get it titled
in New Jersey. Once your vehicle has a title, you may visit any MVC
Agency to register with the state.

   * If you are relocating from Canada with a Canadian title in your
name, you can title and register it at any MVC Agency."

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Vehicle/moving_to_nj/license04.htm

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Vehicle/moving_to_nj/vehicle01.htm

kaboomie
Rich Wales - 08 Jan 2007 04:02 GMT
   > NJ Motor Vehicle Commission . . . .  "Before you can register
   > a foreign vehicle, you have to get it titled in New Jersey.
   > Once your vehicle has a title, you may visit any MVC Agency
   > to register with the state."

Note that before the original poster can even get to the point of
titling his vehicle in New Jersey, he'll have to get it successfully
imported into the US (i.e., get it past US Customs).  That means the
car will have to be certified as meeting US federal vehicle rules;
see my earlier posting in this thread for more about that.

Even if info from New Jersey (or any other US state) neglected to
mention the federal requirements and US Customs, that will still be
a requirement; the federal rules trump state rules if they conflict.

Unfortunately, the average state DMV/MVC/whatever employee is most
likely =not= going to be familiar with any of this stuff.  Make sure
you're getting state-level advice from an expert at the main office
(probably in the respective state capital) -- and realize that you
=WILL= have to deal with US Customs and federal requirements, and
if someone from the state DMV tries to tell you that won't be
necessary, don't believe them.

Rich Wales            richw@richw.org            http://www.richw.org
none2u - 09 Jan 2007 00:41 GMT
This may be a problem or not. The vehicle may meet US federal safety rules
for that year already. The BMV is certainly going to know the VIN doesn't
match a VIN made in the United States. And wont issue a title , no matter
how stupid the employee is.  I couldn't get my 2005 Toyota recall done in
Canada because my VIN number wasn't Canadian. If the state has importation
rules , then they have to be complied with. I mean the federal 5 mph bumpers
and door braces paperwork. If the Federal crap doesn't apply and it
certainly may not, because the cars  Canadian and may have the stuff
already. .   Then your OK. In Ohio ,  The import cost is 5000 and over to
provide engineering paperwork to prove the vehicle has 5mph bumpers and door
braces. Usually for Ferraris and sorts. I assume its going to have to pass
the state emissions check. In Ohio the State Highway Patrol gives a safety
check for the vehicle. Even a rebuilt or scrapped vehicle. You still are
allowed to make your own vehicles and trailers and waiver the safety crap.
Then the emissions  test is passed. It probably will pass doing nothing. Our
cars are generally worse then the rest of the civilized worlds. Even if it
fails it can be waived too with conditions.  Those papers are taken to the
BMV. Then the title is given, They will record your Canadian VIN, then
you're in.  Proof of insurance,  Then the registration and plates. Ohio is a
lenient state. In California its easier to sell your vehicle and buy a new
one when you get there.  Really if there's any problem, just leave it titled
in Canada and use Canadian plates. I,d leave it titled Canadian for a year
or so anyways. Canadians are welcome everywhere. If you have a wreck, you
have to say your visiting.

>    > NJ Motor Vehicle Commission . . . .  "Before you can register
>    > a foreign vehicle, you have to get it titled in New Jersey.
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>
> Rich Wales            richw@richw.org            http://www.richw.org
none2u - 09 Jan 2007 00:54 GMT
Those links you gave state Canadian vehicles can be titled and registered at
any local MVC in person. All other countries cannot , and have to go to the
main office MVC only.  I bet its paperwork and money only. because they have
the Canadian VINs in their system. Just like my Canadian built truck...
> This may be a problem or not. The vehicle may meet US federal safety rules
> for that year already. The BMV is certainly going to know the VIN doesn't
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>>
>> Rich Wales            richw@richw.org            http://www.richw.org
 
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