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Car Forum / Volkswagen / Water Cooled Volkswagen Cars / January 2007

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2000 Jetta 2.0 Alternator Output?

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The Lull - 08 Jan 2007 23:05 GMT
Hey All,

Does anyone know what a completely stock 2000 Jetta 2.0 (manual)
alternator puts out in the way of amps?

I have a couple of amplifiers hooked up in the car for a stereo system,
and I've noticed that when I'm running the stereo a loudly the
headlights dim a bit.

To get some obvious stuff out of the way: I've been doing car stereos
for more than a few years, and understand that headlight dimming is not
the end of the world, but I want to make sure that everything is up to
snuff.  Specifics?  The lights dim only at higher volumes, but once
those volume levels are reached they dim no matter what the RPMs are at
(though, the higher the RPMs, the less time the dimming lasts).  I'm
using one amplifier to push one 10-inch subwoofer (at 150 watts, RMS,
if anyone cares), and a different amplifier to push the two rear
speakers (at 60 watts each, RMS).  The two amplifiers have a combined
MAXIMUM current draw of 36 Amps (14 for the subwoofer, 22 for the rear
two speakers).  On top of that, the deck itself is powering the front
two speakers, therefore taking up power as well.  There is, of coarse,
all of the other normal power being used by the car as well.

So, what I'd like to know is whether or not my stock alternator should
be up to handling this load.  If it's supposed to be putting out more
than enough power (doubtful), then I can take the car in for a little
check up, and have the alternator and battery looked at - then have the
faulty part replaced.  Unfortunately, I suspect that I may be pushing
(or exceeding) the limits of the power capabilities under my hood.

My next question is this:  If the stock alternator for my car isn't
supposed to be handling such loads (likely), I have three options for
dealing with the power drain - and would appreciate input on these
options.

1)  Quit worrying about it, and leave it alone and deal with headlight
dimming.
2)  See if an alternator is available that puts out more power, and
implement it if possible.
3)  Install a capacitor for the stereo.

Each option has its drawbacks, but each also has specific advantages.

Anyone up for this discussion?

~The Lull
Lost In Space/Woodchuck - 09 Jan 2007 00:48 GMT
should be a 90amp, but VW also had some with 120A but I think they were for
the 1.8t engines.

> Hey All,
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> ~The Lull
The Lull - 09 Jan 2007 02:21 GMT
Okay, well that's more than I thought it would be...

So with that kind of amperage, there shouldn't be much (if any)
headlight dimming as long as the alternator, battery, and all the
wiring are fully healthy - right?

~The Lull
> should be a 90amp, but VW also had some with 120A but I think they were for
> the 1.8t engines.
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> > ~The Lull
Sean - 09 Jan 2007 03:23 GMT
> Okay, well that's more than I thought it would be...
>
> So with that kind of amperage, there shouldn't be much (if any)
> headlight dimming as long as the alternator, battery, and all the
> wiring are fully healthy - right?

Don't you need stiffener caps at that kind of load?

...Sean.
PeterD - 09 Jan 2007 14:31 GMT
>> Okay, well that's more than I thought it would be...
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>...Sean.

These are only useful *if* the alternator can provide the average
power, and his can't do that.
samstone@aol.com - 09 Jan 2007 03:28 GMT
>Okay, well that's more than I thought it would be...
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>> > ~The Lull

watts = volts xamps ,  you do the math , Option 4 .   turn the freakin
stereo down
PeterD - 09 Jan 2007 14:30 GMT
>Okay, well that's more than I thought it would be...
>
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>> >
>> > ~The Lull

Let's say:

Normal vehicle draw (engine, ecm, all the bits and pieces) 20 amps.

2 headlights at 5 amps each (total 10 amps)
6 Misc exterior lights at 1 amp each (total 6 amps)
10 interior/dash lights at .5 amps each (total 5 amps)

Heater fan medium speed 12 amps (yes, they do draw a lot of current).

Battery charge 7.5 amps (if the battery is not discharged badly)

Radio/head unit 8 amps
Sound amplifiers  (your numbers roughly) 36 amps

That's 104 amps... (bet I missed a few things that are drawing current
too!)

I'll bet your lights dim when the amps are putting out a lot of power,
right? <BG>

(Oh, and that 90 amp alternator isn't really going to like putting out
90 amps full time, either, but that's a different matter.)

Some ideas: Bigger alternator (of course) at least 140 amp version.
Led running lights will save a few amps there (I did this on a truck
that had a bazillion running lights and foudn the savings was
incredible!)

Check the wires between the alternator and battery for size--if they
are too small you'll see just this type of operation. Especially if
you go to a bigger alternator.
The Lull - 10 Jan 2007 16:11 GMT
Wow.  Great way to put things in perspective, and point me in the right
direction.

Thanks Pete!!!

> Let's say:
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> are too small you'll see just this type of operation. Especially if
> you go to a bigger alternator.
upand_at_them@yahoo.com - 13 Jan 2007 01:43 GMT
You'll miss your hearing when it's gone.

Mike
samstone@aol.com - 13 Jan 2007 02:57 GMT
>You'll miss your hearing when it's gone.
>
>Mike

What?
tacurong - 17 Jan 2007 04:26 GMT
90 amps were good for 1250 watts  i dont have amps but i have 100 watt h4
and h3 running relays and 12 and 10 gauge wiring   no probs  just make sure
your grounds are good and clean  or upgrade to a bigger alt 120 amp from a
upscaler vw

>>You'll miss your hearing when it's gone.
>>
>>Mike
>>
> What?
 
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