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Car Forum / Volkswagen / Water Cooled Volkswagen Cars / December 2007

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Batt drain problem

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ukdodger - 28 Dec 2007 18:06 GMT
Hi everyone. A friend has a VW Polo twist 2004 which drains the battery every
two days or so when the vehicle is standing idle. So she has been told by the
VW garage the problem is the car radio - called an 'Alpine'. What the problem
is they dont say but they do know they want £50+/hour to sort it out! How can
I check this out? I'm a competent mechanic with a background in electronic
engineering. So it should be easy but I would really appreciate some guidence
on where to start or some ideas on where the problem is most likely to be. I
just dont want to start pulling the facia apart and possibly create more
problems. Many thanks and a happy new year to all.

UKD

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Joseph Gliebe - 28 Dec 2007 18:36 GMT
To be honest, even if the radio remained on for two days, it does not draw
enough current to drain a car battery of any decent capacity.

Since you are electronically inclined, measure the current the battery is
drawing while off.  See if what the VW Garage is saying makes sense.  It
would have to draw more than an amp to significantly drain a battery in two
days.

If it is drawing that much current when off, makes sure no short in the
wires upstream of the radio.  If not disconnect the radio, again check the
drain on the battery.

If not drain, get rid of the radio, might me in warranty if a 2004.  Even so
aftermarket radios are often cheaper and better than originals.  Or go to a
boneyard and pick one up very cheap.

This should do it......let us know.

Joe

> Hi everyone. A friend has a VW Polo twist 2004 which drains the battery
> every
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Al - 28 Dec 2007 18:51 GMT
> To be honest, even if the radio remained on for two days, it does not
> draw enough current to drain a car battery of any decent capacity.

Depends how loud you leave the volume :-)

Anyway, don't discount the radio. A bloke I worked with had exactly the
same problem. Turned out that the radio was drawing significant current,
even when 'off'.

Having removed it, he found that one of his kids had been 'posting' coins
into the cassette slot, and one was causing a partial short around the
power input :-)

Al.
ukdodger - 28 Dec 2007 22:07 GMT
'he found that one of his kids had been 'posting' coins
>into the cassette slot'

You gotta laugh. Thanks for you help

UKD

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Joseph Meehan - 28 Dec 2007 19:04 GMT
> To be honest, even if the radio remained on for two days, it does not draw
> enough current to drain a car battery of any decent capacity.
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   If a power amp is running full time even if it is not being driven, it
could easily do it.

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Joseph Meehan - 28 Dec 2007 19:07 GMT
Put a amp meter on the battery and then pull the radio fuse.  If the
drain does not go down enough keep trying fuses one at a time until you find
the one with the big drain.  Keep in mind that a three year old battery may
just be hitting the end of its life.  You also should check out the voltage
off and the voltage when running.  It should be something like 12.5 off and
13.2 or more on.

> Hi everyone. A friend has a VW Polo twist 2004 which drains the battery
> every
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ukdodger - 28 Dec 2007 22:12 GMT
Thanks Joe. Good practical advice. Cheers

UKD

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PeterD - 28 Dec 2007 19:20 GMT
>Hi everyone. A friend has a VW Polo twist 2004 which drains the battery every
>two days or so when the vehicle is standing idle. So she has been told by the
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>UKD

You need to measure parisitic drain (that is the drain when the key is
off, doors closed, everything off that you would normally turn off).
You must let it sit, measuring the drain for at least an hour or so,
with periodic checks to see what the drain is. Chart these, make a
log, whatever.

Any drain over 70 MA (that's 0.070 amps) is considered to be high, but
you will probably find that there is an initial high drain that goes
away after about 5 to 15 minutes. This initial high drain is normal.

He has replaced the battery, hasn't he?
ukdodger - 28 Dec 2007 22:10 GMT
No she hasnt actually Pete. But why would an old battery be prone to draining?
Thanks for your help.

UKD

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PeterD - 28 Dec 2007 22:54 GMT
>No she hasnt actually Pete. But why would an old battery be prone to draining?
>Thanks for your help.
>
>UKD

Well, it's getting along in years, so to speak. Not unreasonable to
have it go at 4 years, which is right about... now!

That would be my first guess.
dave AKA vwdoc1 - 29 Dec 2007 01:53 GMT
I have seen that!
Battery could charge up but would not hold a charge over time with nothing
connected to it.
I could measure voltage on the battery case!   It helped after I cleaned up
any acid on the case, but the battery was just bad.

Always check the part before buying another!  <g>

> No she hasnt actually Pete. But why would an old battery be prone to
> draining?
> Thanks for your help.
>
> UKD
Lost In Space/Woodchuck - 29 Dec 2007 02:34 GMT
start with the easy stuff.

glove box light
trunk light
unplug the radio for a few days and see what happens.

Polo... I have no clue what they look like. Just not a USA vehicle.

> Hi everyone. A friend has a VW Polo twist 2004 which drains the battery
> every
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ukdodger - 30 Dec 2007 17:54 GMT
Cheers Lost. It's easy to overlook the obvious. Good point. Thanks. I think
over there the Polo was called the Rabbit. Could be wrong.

UKD

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Nate Nagel - 30 Dec 2007 18:23 GMT
> Cheers Lost. It's easy to overlook the obvious. Good point. Thanks. I think
> over there the Polo was called the Rabbit. Could be wrong.
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>>>UKD

Nope, the Rabbit was a rebadged A1 Golf (or A5 Golf, more recently)

nate

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ukdodger - 31 Dec 2007 17:07 GMT
Oh right. Cheers. I've often wondered why the same car sells better in
another country with a different name. Odd really.

>> Cheers Lost. It's easy to overlook the obvious. Good point. Thanks. I think
>> over there the Polo was called the Rabbit. Could be wrong.
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