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The car is a 2003 VW Golf GTI 1.8T. Recently the MIL light came on and it was diagnosed with a defective secondary air pump and thermostat. I had them replace the secondary air pump only. The thermostat was not replaced because the engine is not overheating and the temperature gauge reads normally at 90 degrees Celsius. The question is would a malfunction thermostat causes the MIL light to come on? >The car is a 2003 VW Golf GTI 1.8T. Recently the MIL light came on and >it was diagnosed with a defective secondary air pump and thermostat. I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >The question is would a malfunction thermostat causes the MIL light to >come on? Are you sure it was not a temperature sensor? Does the water temp idiot gauge indicate proper temp? On my 2003 I have to use Vagcom to clear out some error codes before warning lights will go away. If your water temp sensor is not generating the correct values to the engine management system your car is not going to run properly. If your thermostat is stuck open your car may never warm up which will cause issues. >>The car is a 2003 VW Golf GTI 1.8T. Recently the MIL light came on and >>it was diagnosed with a defective secondary air pump and thermostat. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>come on? >Are you sure it was not a temperature sensor? The temperature sensor was replaced in April 2006 and approximately 52000 kilometers ago. > Does the water temp idiot gauge indicate proper temp? It indicates 90 degrees Celsius, that is the needle is vertical. It takes approximately 6 minutes for the needle to go vertical. >>>The car is a 2003 VW Golf GTI 1.8T. Recently the MIL light came on and >>>it was diagnosed with a defective secondary air pump and thermostat. I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >The temperature sensor was replaced in April 2006 and approximately >52000 kilometers ago. So? >> Does the water temp idiot gauge indicate proper temp? > >It indicates 90 degrees Celsius, that is the needle is vertical. It >takes approximately 6 minutes for the needle to go vertical. I'd suggest Jim's advice... >>>The car is a 2003 VW Golf GTI 1.8T. Recently the MIL light came on and >>>it was diagnosed with a defective secondary air pump and thermostat. I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >It indicates 90 degrees Celsius, that is the needle is vertical. It >takes approximately 6 minutes for the needle to go vertical. So the answer is no to the temperature sensor. Have you checked out the sensor to see if it meets book values? The Bentley repair manual show a procedure to check that also requires a Vagcom/VCDS. So your first sensor may have lasted 3-4 years depending on when your car was made. Maybe second sensor did not last as long. Hard to know without going through the book testing procedure. Note that VW has a water temp idiot gauge. It will indicate 90 even if the water is hotter or colder within a range. It reduces the amount of complaints service techs receive of "my car is running hot" or "my car is running cold." You need a diagnostic tool like Vagcom to read what the temp really is. >>>>The question is would a malfunction thermostat causes the MIL light to >>>>come on? Yes I think I have seen a light come on due to a faulty thermostat. See if these codes have popped up. 16512 P0128 Coolant Thermostat/Valve Temperature below control range  Signaturelater, (One out of many daves) >>>>>The question is would a malfunction thermostat causes the MIL light to >>>>>come on? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >P0128 >Coolant Thermostat/Valve Temperature below control range The code is P2181. What effect does a "temperature below control range" have on the performance of the engine? >>>>>>The question is would a malfunction thermostat causes the MIL light to >>>>>>come on? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >What effect does a "temperature below control range" have on the >performance of the engine? First guess is the engine thinks it is cold. It runs a richer mixture. Catalytic onverter eventually burns up because of excessively rich mixture. http://tech.bentleypublishers.com/thread.jspa?forumName=volkswagen.a.a4&threadID =23737 go there and read......quite a few problems can cause this light to go on. I have heard that the following could cause this: CTS (need a green one and test it with the vag-com tool while the engine heats up) Thermostat Water pump Coolant mixture might need more water than coolant fans Something might telling the ECM that the temperature is not getting hot enough quickly enough or maybe too hot. >>>>>>>The question is would a malfunction thermostat causes the MIL light >>>>>>>to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Catalytic onverter eventually burns up because of excessively rich > mixture. There also have been cases where coolant seeped out of the temp sender seal and corroded the pins on the connector causing erronious readings. not enough leaked to cause a leaking problem. > http://tech.bentleypublishers.com/thread.jspa?forumName=volkswagen.a.a4&threadID =23737 > go there and read......quite a few problems can cause this light to go on. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> Catalytic onverter eventually burns up because of excessively rich >> mixture. Thermostats fail all the time on these. The code probably was cooling system performance/malfunction. the engine takes too long to warm up, increasing emissions. > The car is a 2003 VW Golf GTI 1.8T. Recently the MIL light came on and > it was diagnosed with a defective secondary air pump and thermostat. I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The question is would a malfunction thermostat causes the MIL light to > come on? |
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