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1993 FOX Cranks, catches, but won't run.

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1993_FOX - 27 Apr 2009 21:33 GMT
I have a 1993 FOX 1.8 that will crank and fire but will not run.
Catches but will not stay running.

New battery, alternator, coil, plugs, fuel pump, etc...

Any ideas?  Fuel pump is delivering fuel.
dave AKA vwdoc1 - 27 Apr 2009 22:35 GMT
Maybe
1. ign switch
2. relay to power ECM
3. Fuel Pressure Regulator
4. Manifold boot to Air Flow Box/Meter (massive vacuum leak)
5. Timing Belt with broken teeth

I think #4 or #1

BTW your Fox should have a transfer fuel pump and a main fuel pump.

>I have a 1993 FOX 1.8 that will crank and fire but will not run.
> Catches but will not stay running.
>
> New battery, alternator, coil, plugs, fuel pump, etc...
>
> Any ideas?  Fuel pump is delivering fuel.
1993_FOX - 28 Apr 2009 01:14 GMT
On Apr 27, 5:35 pm, "dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwdoc1nos...@pleasehotmail.com>
wrote:
> Maybe
> 1. ign switch
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I have a new ignition switch and a new timing belt.  Thjis thing was
running like freakin brand new before it shut down.  I just put in a
new distributor and it does the same thing.  Except now I have found
that if I hold the key in the start position it stays running!  What
the hell?!

Maybe the secondary fuel pump (out of tank)?

Thanks
dave AKA vwdoc1 - 28 Apr 2009 03:15 GMT
I had installed an aftermarket ign switch in my '91 Passat and it lasted
about 1 week.
So this is a brand new ign switch that was installed AFTER this problem
occured and it did not solve your problem?

On Apr 27, 5:35 pm, "dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwdoc1nos...@pleasehotmail.com>
wrote:
> Maybe
> 1. ign switch
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I have a new ignition switch and a new timing belt.  Thjis thing was
running like freakin brand new before it shut down.  I just put in a
new distributor and it does the same thing.  Except now I have found
that if I hold the key in the start position it stays running!  What
the hell?!

Maybe the secondary fuel pump (out of tank)?

Thanks
PeterD - 28 Apr 2009 14:07 GMT
>I have a new ignition switch and a new timing belt.  Thjis thing was
>running like freakin brand new before it shut down.  I just put in a
>new distributor and it does the same thing.  Except now I have found
>that if I hold the key in the start position it stays running!  What
>the hell?!

Strongly suggests the ignition switch is (still) bad!
1993_FOX - 28 Apr 2009 15:59 GMT
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:14:48 -0700 (PDT), 1993_FOX
>
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>
> Strongly suggests the ignition switch is (still) bad!

I have a new switch coming from VW, for some reason it is $8 when I
paid $20+ for the BWD from a parts store.
Another switch install, what a drag.  Just tired of working on this
thing now, I want to drive it for 5 years before I touch it again.
When these cars sit they die, when you try to bring em back to life it
seems as though everything wants to fail.  I have over $1500 in
receipts from the parts stores.
dave AKA vwdoc1 - 29 Apr 2009 12:30 GMT
NO install needed to test!
Just unplug the old switch and plug into the new switch.  Use a screwdriver
to turn new switch to see if problem is cured.  Might take you 5-10 minutes
to test.  ;-)

Post results!
Signature

later,
(One out of many daves)

On Apr 28, 9:07 am, PeterD <pet...@hipson.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:14:48 -0700 (PDT), 1993_FOX
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Strongly suggests the ignition switch is (still) bad!

I have a new switch coming from VW, for some reason it is $8 when I
paid $20+ for the BWD from a parts store.
Another switch install, what a drag.  Just tired of working on this
thing now, I want to drive it for 5 years before I touch it again.
When these cars sit they die, when you try to bring em back to life it
seems as though everything wants to fail.  I have over $1500 in
receipts from the parts stores.
1993_FOX - 28 Apr 2009 01:16 GMT
On Apr 27, 5:35 pm, "dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwdoc1nos...@pleasehotmail.com>
wrote:
> Maybe
> 1. ign switch
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>
> - Show quoted text -

relay to ECM?  What is this?  I have reviewed my Bently and tried the
tests but found it mostly confusing for the didifant.
dave AKA vwdoc1 - 28 Apr 2009 03:23 GMT
oops that is right, cross out #3.  :-)

I am not up on the '93 Fox but do you have a repair manual with the wiring
diagrams?
Start checking for power from the ign switch and follow it.

Also you can probably check out the Fuel Injection sensors and wiring at the
ECM plug.

On Apr 27, 5:35 pm, "dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwdoc1nos...@pleasehotmail.com>
wrote:
> Maybe
> 1. ign switch
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

relay to ECM?  What is this?  I have reviewed my Bently and tried the
tests but found it mostly confusing for the didifant.
Dioclese - 28 Apr 2009 10:59 GMT
>I have a 1993 FOX 1.8 that will crank and fire but will not run.
> Catches but will not stay running.
>
> New battery, alternator, coil, plugs, fuel pump, etc...
>
> Any ideas?  Fuel pump is delivering fuel.

I know the 88 model is somewhat different, but here's my experiences.  Same
symptoms.  Found engine was actually flooding, not starved for fuel.
Happened in 2 entirely different occasions/years.  Once it was the
thermo-time switch, the 2nd time it was the temp sensor.  If the engine is
actually flooded, look for something along these lines.
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