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wrenden - 24 May 2009 15:03 GMT
2009 Jetta TDI. Both cooling fans sometime come on when engine is
either cold or hot--sometimes at very high speed (fans).  Shutting
eng. off and on stops them.  

wrenden
Ralf Ballis - 24 May 2009 15:12 GMT
> 2009 Jetta TDI. Both cooling fans sometime come on when engine is
> either cold or hot--sometimes at very high speed (fans).  Shutting
> eng. off and on stops them.

Have you A/C running?

Regards,

Ralf
dave AKA vwdoc1 - 24 May 2009 15:46 GMT
or defrost?

>> 2009 Jetta TDI. Both cooling fans sometime come on when engine is
>> either cold or hot--sometimes at very high speed (fans).  Shutting
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> Ralf
wrenden - 25 May 2009 13:38 GMT
>or defrost?
>
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>> Ralf

Oops, I forgot to mention that it occurs with the AC and heater fan
off.  The MIL light came on shortly after I bought the car and it took
three visits to the dealer before they fixed that.  Something to do
with the oxy. sensors.  After they fixed that the problem with the
cooling fans started.  Wonder if they screwed up the computer somehow.
If the MIL light comes on once more I'm going to invoke the lemon law
and get my money back.  Thanks for the replies.

wrenden
dave AKA vwdoc1 - 25 May 2009 18:00 GMT
I would not be happy either to buy a NEW car and have too many strange
things happen to it!!!
I remember when the diesel engines did not even have Oxygen Sensors!

I think that VW had a problem like that in the past with the early 90
Passats.  Radiator fans would come on, stay on and possibly cause a fire.

BTW the fan control module is probably faulty, but it must be some defective
manufacturing that is killing the reliability of components in VW cars.  :-(
I have changed a few of those in the '94-'98 era Jettas/Golfs.

Let us know what happens!
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later,
(One out of many daves)

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> wrenden
Nate Nagel - 25 May 2009 19:17 GMT
> I would not be happy either to buy a NEW car and have too many strange
> things happen to it!!!
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> Let us know what happens!

OK, maybe I'm an idiot, but what purpose would an O2 sensor serve on a
Diesel?  There's O2 flowing out the exhaust all the darn time in normal
operation... unless they're throttling it?  but isn't the lack of
throttle one of the reasons Diesels are so efficient?  I'm so confused!

nate

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LG - 25 May 2009 19:59 GMT
These new diesels have more oxygen and temp and pressure sensors than you
can fit in a bucket.
"Clean Emissions"...

>> I would not be happy either to buy a NEW car and have too many strange
>> things happen to it!!!
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> nate
Nate Nagel - 25 May 2009 22:10 GMT
OK, let me rephrase.  What useful information can you get from an oxygen
sensor on a Diesel?  Under anything other than full "throttle" there's
lots of unburned O2 in the exhaust of a Diesel, that's the nature of the
beast.  So what purpose would it serve?

nate

> These new diesels have more oxygen and temp and pressure sensors than you
> can fit in a bucket.
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>> nate

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PeterD - 25 May 2009 22:40 GMT
>> I would not be happy either to buy a NEW car and have too many strange
>> things happen to it!!!
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>nate

If there really is an O2 sensor, I'd bet they use it backwards to
prevent over fueling. (which may make sense, since an O2 sensor is
really a hydro-carbon sensor,not an o2 sensor...)
Stars@nyc.rr.com - 26 May 2009 01:00 GMT
PeterD you spam on multiple Newsgroups, and I am afraid we need to
report your behavior to the White House.
We, Citizens with Too Much Free Time on Hand, are watchign your every
post, even if it's relevant and single-time, we suspect you might be a
Spammer.
We don't need a proof, just the fact of you posting makes us jealous
of your spam, you BASTARD.

You will leave me alone or you eant problems?
PeterD - 26 May 2009 14:05 GMT
>PeterD you spam on multiple Newsgroups, and I am afraid we need to
>report your behavior to the White House.
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>You will leave me alone or you eant problems?

Cool, I've a fan... Good to see you here, Stars. Keep up the good
work, and let me know what Oblama says about things!
Nate Nagel - 26 May 2009 23:17 GMT
>> PeterD you spam on multiple Newsgroups, and I am afraid we need to
>> report your behavior to the White House.
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> Cool, I've a fan... Good to see you here, Stars. Keep up the good
> work, and let me know what Oblama says about things!

WTF?  I thought we were just hanging out and discussing O2 sensors.
Apparently I missed something.

nate

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PeterD - 26 May 2009 23:58 GMT
>>> PeterD you spam on multiple Newsgroups, and I am afraid we need to
>>> report your behavior to the White House.
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>nate

Stan (stars) got slamed for spamming his eBay listings, and has
decided to start stalking me to get 'even' with the world. Sadly, Stan
is not a good Internet stalker, and is unlikely to have much success
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Wes - 23 Jul 2009 22:52 GMT
> 2009 Jetta TDI. Both cooling fans sometime come on when engine is
> either cold or hot--sometimes at very high speed (fans).  Shutting
> eng. off and on stops them.
>
> wrenden

If the fan is coming on at a cold start, and assuming you DEFINITELY do not
have the a/c on, nor the car in defrost position, the fan should NOT be
operating.  I have 35K on my 09 TDI, and while the fan DOES operate when the
car emission system is in regeneration mode (there are 3 different modes
from what I've read) that's the ONLY time I've noticed the fan being on,
other than when the a/c is in operation.  However the car cannot be in regen
mode when you first start it...  the exhaust system has to be superheated
first.

I would definitely discuss with me dealer.

Wes
wrenden - 24 Jul 2009 13:20 GMT
>> 2009 Jetta TDI. Both cooling fans sometime come on when engine is
>> either cold or hot--sometimes at very high speed (fans).  Shutting
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>Wes

I finally found the answer at the TDI Club Forum:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=250434&highlight=cooling+fans

Great place.  Thanks,
wrenden
 
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