Those are things you can find out about from places like Consumer
Reports magazine.  The more subjective things like "how much fun and
enjoyment is it to drive?" are a bit more subjective and that's where
opinion rather than fact kicks in.

OK, what I'm hearing here is that the main complaint seems to be
torque-steer.  I drove a Type S over the weekend, and the torque-steer
was not that pronounced, at least to me, and yes, I put the pedal down a
couple of times.

What I was hoping to see were more comments about things like
build-quality, bad ergonomics, etc.

Tom Simchak
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Because it's cheaper and lighter to build.

So why bother with FWD?

There never has been a *really* good FWD performance car of any decent
size, and IMHFO there isn't likely ever to be one.  I'm on my second
NSX now, and it's closest to the most perfect car I've ever driven.
I'm saving up for an F430 (though an F355 may be more within my
reach...) and if that ever happens then I expect even the memory of
the beloved NSX will be eclipsed.  I bought an '04 TSX new for a
runabout and it was a damned near faultless car - apart from the
*wretched* FWD yukkiness when you stepped on it.  I sold is a year
later with less than 10K miles on it.

The fact remains that FWD sucks big time in the performance car
market.  There just ain't no gettin' around it.

I have a 1977 MB (RWD), a 1999 NSX (RWD), a 2000 Prelude (FWD) and a
2006 RL (AWD).  I have some knowledge of what I am talking about.  
Torque steer is pretty well tamed in the RL, and it isn't too bad in the
Prelude.  It could be handled in the TL-S as well.  The problem is
getting more than about 200 hp to the ground in a FWD car is fairly
difficult, but it can be done.  Look at what Real Time Racing has been
able to do, as well as that team that keeps winning in British Touring
Car -- Hareford or something like that.

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:05:12 GMT, Robert Peirce

It sounds to me like you could be ready for a (gasp! shock! horror!)
*rear* wheel drive car.

Fact is, in anything larger than a very small car, front wheel drive
just doesn't cut it on the performance front.  All wheel drive is a
bit better but it's different and at the end of the day all that all
wheel drive on a front wheel drive platform is doing is compensating
somewhat for the shortcomings of front wheel drive scaled up to a
larger and more powerful car being driven by someone a bit more alert
than your grand-dad.

Toyota and Nissan have realized this over the past few years in many
models in their Lexus and Infiniti lines.  BMW and Mercedes have known
it for years.

It's time for Honda's Acura brand to catch up.  I *really* wish they
would.  And don't talk to me about the NSX and the S2000, I'm talking
about the mainstream bread and butter stuff.

I took the car for a test drive and was disappointed in the amount of
torque-steer.  It really need SH-AWD.  I also thought, that while the
brakes were great, the peddle feel was a bit soft.  That could have been
the particular car I was driving.  Straight-line it is very quick.  Just
don't try to use it for hard cornering.

Excellent vehicle and Consumer Reports, Motor Tend, Car & Driver have given
their thumbs up on the TL. I just purchased one several weeks ago and cannot
believe the amount of headroom this car offers. It's quick and the seats
provide great support. The car gets great gas mileage to boot.

Take one for a test drive.

Good luck

Ken

Greetings---

I am considering buying a new TL Type S, and I'm looking for some input.

I've scanned through the messages on this group, but there's nothing
that came up on this particular model.

I'm looking for real-world experiences with this car...build quality,
performance issues, reliability, etc.  I realize that Acura only
reintroduced the Type S this model year, but maybe someone on this group
can fill me in.

Thanks.

Tom S.
Houston, TX