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Re: BMW Clutch Issue

Bob Smitter15 Jun 2007 20:23
>>Clutch hydraulics are as simple as it gets, folks.
>
> Agreed and that is what makes this so frustrating.

You didn't hear this from me, Sctoo, but maybe it is time
to let Casey look at it.

Bob

Scott Dorsey15 Jun 2007 20:07
>Clutch system is not bled properly. If the hardware is there, and new, the
>fluid is good, then it can ONLY be that the system is not bled, i.e. there
>is air in the line.

That would make perfect sense, and the fact that it is okay when cold but
undrivable when hot correllates well with the air in the line diagnosis.
BUT, the system has been bled many many times at this point.  I cannot imagine
there is still any air in it.

>Clutch hydraulics are as simple as it gets, folks.

Agreed and that is what makes this so frustrating.

>Get an auto box.

Now, when THOSE fail, you just buy a new car....
--scott

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Bill15 Jun 2007 19:07
Clutch system is not bled properly. If the hardware is there, and new, the
fluid is good, then it can ONLY be that the system is not bled, i.e. there
is air in the line. Clutch hydraulics are as simple as it gets, folks.

Get an auto box.

Bill in Omaha
'86 535i

Scott Dorsey15 Jun 2007 18:19
>> Starting around 220,000 miles, the clutch began sticking closed.  That is,
>> I'd put my foot down, the pedal would stick to the ground, and the clutch
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>the latter then there is no clear indication of a problem with the
>hydraulics and the mechanical linkage would likely be the problem.

It means the former.  But all of the hydraulics have been replaced.  I
don't see anything else that can be replaced.  I do not see any sort of
check valve anywhere that could be leaking, either.

>> I could pull the pedal up and pump it down a couple
>> times and the clutch would open properly again.  
>
>What does "clutch would open properly" mean. If you don't do the pumping
>thing then the transmission will remain engaged? or remain disengaged?
>or what?

It will remain engaged, with the pedal stuck to the floor, which is bad.

>>It started happening now
>> and then, and then more and more often.
>
>Has your mechanic actually been able to reproduce the problem or is he
>going only by your description of the problem? If he has seen the car
>when the problem exists I would take it to another mechanic.

He has been able to reproduce it while driving but not up on the lift.
I am annoyed that he has been trying to fix the problem by swapping things
out, but by the same token everything has BEEN swapped out at this point.
--scott
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jim15 Jun 2007 16:43
> Starting around 220,000 miles, the clutch began sticking closed.  That is,
> I'd put my foot down, the pedal would stick to the ground, and the clutch
> would remain engaged.

Can't tell what "clutch remains engaged" means? Does that mean the
transmission is engaged or does it mean the opposite? If it means the
former it is pretty evident that the hydraulics have failed. If it means
the latter then there is no clear indication of a problem with the
hydraulics and the mechanical linkage would likely be the problem.

> I could pull the pedal up and pump it down a couple
> times and the clutch would open properly again.  

What does "clutch would open properly" mean. If you don't do the pumping
thing then the transmission will remain engaged? or remain disengaged?
or what?

>It started happening now
> and then, and then more and more often.

Has your mechanic actually been able to reproduce the problem or is he
going only by your description of the problem? If he has seen the car
when the problem exists I would take it to another mechanic.

-jim

> I replaced the plunger on the clutch master cylinder, which was leaking,
> on the suspicion the seal in it was bad.  Didn't fix anything.  Took it
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> --
> "C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey15 Jun 2007 01:56
1986 BMW 535i.  I bought it a few years ago with a bad transmission and only
120k miles, and a friend of mine dropped an '83 junkyard transmission into it
and a new clutch.  It's been running well, and I have slowly been cleaning
various things on it up.

Starting around 220,000 miles, the clutch began sticking closed.  That is,
I'd put my foot down, the pedal would stick to the ground, and the clutch
would remain engaged.  I could pull the pedal up and pump it down a couple
times and the clutch would open properly again.  It started happening now
and then, and then more and more often.

I replaced the plunger on the clutch master cylinder, which was leaking,
on the suspicion the seal in it was bad.  Didn't fix anything.  Took it
to a respected BMW indy mechanic around here, who swore I did it wrong and
replaced the plunger again.  Didn't fix anything.  Replaced the whole master
cylinder.  Didn't do anything.  Changed the fluid and replaced the slave
cylinder.  Still no go.  

Now, I am assuming that there is no possibility of the line between the
two cylinders being an issue, and no backflow valve anywhere in the system.
Is this correct?

Recently it got worse, and I took it in to him again.  At this point, we
figure it has to be something inside the transmission.  He drops it, and
replaces everything that looks even a bit suspicious, namely the throwout
bearing release lever, the lever pin, the clutch release bearing, and
the shift bushings.  Everything else looks clean, though neither one of us
could see how any one of these would cause the problem.

Putting the thing back together, the problem is now actually worse, since
the friction point is closer to the floor than it was before.  The car is
now doing it almost all the time, making it impossible to drive except on
the highway.

Help!  Anybody have any suggestions about what could be causing this issue?
--scott
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