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Re: Flood damage to car engines

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Re: Flood damage to car engines

Tom K.23 Jun 2007 15:40
> No matter what, or whom, the gun makers are protecting against, the idea
> behind what they are doing is much different than what the OP is wanting.
> I'd like to see the OP go after the car cmpany because they did not tell
> him that the car was not intended to be a boat ...

If he does, (no matter the outcome) we'll see new BMW stickers saying
"WARNING: Do Not Drive in the River", and the product liability lawyers will
pocket their fee.

Tom K.

Jeff Strickland23 Jun 2007 15:02
>>>>>I dont know if most of you taking this seriously in the write context.
>>>>>I
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>
> No they are not Jeff.  they are protecting themselves

Ultimately that is precisely what they are doing. But they aren't worried
that you are going to harm yourself and then sue, they are worried that you
are going to harm me, then I will sue because they did not caution you to
not harm me.

No matter what, or whom, the gun makers are protecting against, the idea
behind what they are doing is much different than what the OP is wanting.
I'd like to see the OP go after the car cmpany because they did not tell him
that the car was not intended to be a boat ...

steve-caner@clara.co.uk23 Jun 2007 08:06
>>>>I dont know if most of you taking this seriously in the write context. I
>>>> have worked on engines since I was a boy and my Dad has been an Engineer
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>Gun makers are not protecting you from yourself, they are protecting me from
>you.

No they are not Jeff.  they are protecting themselves from me and you from
filing a law suit for not telling us it was dangerous to point a loaded weapon
at something you didn't want destroyed.  I think it was exactly this type of
class action that made them and Colt do it.

However, back to our guy in the UK.  It is not unusual to encounter a public
road with a FORD (a stream crossing not the car although mistakes do happen and
there is often a loud crunch!)

Many motoring book and magazines used to give out information regularly
regarding "hazardous" driving situations in the summer but mainly for the winter
months and driving through flood water or streams was always - "Select the
lowest gear you can and proceed very slowly keeping the revs as high as possible
by (if the car has one) slipping the clutch"

This advice has always stuck in my mind from an early age and I would guess that
the OP had been given such advice in the past - maybe by a driving instructor -
I may be mistaken but if I remember correctly at one time this advice was also
given in the UK "Highway Code" which is almost the UK driving bible although it
may not be in the current version which is being withdrawn due to the fact that
the wording instructs cyclists to use the cycle tracks if provided instead of
advising them - Bikes should be banned from the roads!!!!!!!!!!

BTW apparently cyclists are not subject to speed limits as there is no
requirement to have a speedo' fitted but are liable to be "done" for reckless
riding.

Jeff Strickland23 Jun 2007 02:28
>>>I dont know if most of you taking this seriously in the write context. I
>>> have worked on engines since I was a boy and my Dad has been an Engineer
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> one
> for about 10 years now)

Because a judge made them do it. You can be sure that they know guns can
kill, and they expect their customers to know that. But, they are warning
against the dangers of a gun, not the dangers of taking a car swimming when
swimming is not something that cars are built and bred to do.

Gun makers are not protecting you from yourself, they are protecting me from
you.

Oscar@nowhere.com22 Jun 2007 18:18
>>I dont know if most of you taking this seriously in the write context. I
>> have worked on engines since I was a boy and my Dad has been an Engineer
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>PS
>Its "right context," not write.

So why does Smith & Wesson put a warning notice on their gun boxes and
instruction saying "Guns can Kill do not point a loaded weapon at anything you
do not wish to be destroyed." (or something very similar as I haven't seen one
for about 10 years now)

Jeff Strickland22 Jun 2007 16:14
>I dont know if most of you taking this seriously in the write context. I
> have worked on engines since I was a boy and my Dad has been an Engineer
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> than this one was. So the manufactures have a responsability to point out
> the dangers in their handbook but they dont why?

The manufacturer has no responsibility to tell you that you are stupid, then
protect you from yourself.

The problem can be prevented by being smarter than a rock.

PS
Its "right context," not write.

bradthomas22 Jun 2007 15:54
I dont know if most of you taking this seriously in the write context. I
have worked on engines since I was a boy and my Dad has been an Engineer
within the car industry for 40 years and this problem can be prevented by
sensors that can cause engine shut down. The fact you are talking as if
this was done on purpose? In England floods are an every month occurance
and I have been through hundreds of floods in my time some a lot deeper
than this one was. So the manufactures have a responsability to point out
the dangers in their handbook but they dont why?

Psycho22 Jun 2007 15:05
>Due to the recent downpours we have had there has been lots of flooding
>country wide. Unfortunately I drove my 6 month old BMW 335d Coupe into
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>dealer. I have since found out that the engine as been wrote off along
>with turbo's and intercooler and the bill is above 15k to repair the car.

 Congratulations, your stupidity has killed a car. Replace it with
something cheaper until you learn your lesson...

>At the BMW garage they have had above 10 cars this week with the same
>problem and my friend who is the head mechanic at the local Mercedes
>garage has had over 40 with the same problem.

>Apparently the water goes through the air intake into the engine prevents
>the piston compressing and then the con rods go through the engine sides.

 Water does not compress. You can put it under pressure, but you
can't compress it. What has happened to your engine is a result of
attempting to do so. At least you have now had the opportunity to
learn this.

>What I cannot understand is why do they not tell you this?

 Take any science classes in school?

>If you new the damage that could be done no one would attempt to go through floods

 You're giving poeple WAY too much credit. Never underestimate the
power of stupid people in large numbers...

>The other thing is this is a modern car problem as older cars air intake was on top
>off the engine and no such damage ever ocurred.

 The older cars suffered from cracked exhaust manifold and sometimes
even engine blocks as the hot CAST IRON parts were cooled rapidly by
cold water.

>I am covered by my insurance but have obviously got to pay my excess.

 You're lucky they're paying anything...

>I feel this is a scam by the car manufacturers and
>dealers because there must be a way of preventing this from happening but
>its obviously not in there interest to prevent it as the income that it
>generates for the garages is an income paid by the insurance. I.e free
>turnover!

 So it's all one big conspiracy? Are you kidding? If it were really
that big of a problem, don't you think there would be a public outcry
or something? Not in thier best interest? If the cars they built were
widely known to have major faults, do you think they'd be selling many
of them?

>I would just like someone who as expierenced this or nows more
>about it to enlighten me as to why this is happening???

 See the text inserted above and maybe you'll get a grip on what
happened. If not, I'm not sure what to tell you other than to buy a
bicycle. They'll go through as much water as you want to pedal through
(although you might want to repack the bearings afterwards to avoid
having to point the finger at the bicycle manufacturer later down the
road). In case you are wondering why, the bearings will eventually
rust due to the excess moisture trapped in the bearing cavity. I doubt
you're going to find anyone that is going to side with you on this.
Good luck however...

bradthomas21 Jun 2007 14:49
Due to the recent downpours we have had there has been lots of flooding
country wide. Unfortunately I drove my 6 month old BMW 335d Coupe into
such a flood. Other cars were passing through it and once my turn came I
atempted to go through the flood about 1foot high. My car stopped dead
about 5m into the flood and I phoned BMW emergency who took my car to a
dealer. I have since found out that the engine as been wrote off along
with turbo's and intercooler and the bill is above 15k to repair the car.
At the BMW garage they have had above 10 cars this week with the same
problem and my friend who is the head mechanic at the local Mercedes
garage has had over 40 with the same problem. Apparently the water goes
through the air intake into the engine prevents the piston compressing and
then the con rods go through the engine sides. What I cannot understand is
why do they not tell you this? If you new the damage that could be done no
one would attempt to go through floods. The other thing is this is a modern
car problem as older cars air intake was on top off the engine and no such
damage ever ocurred. I am covered by my insurance but have obviously got
to pay my excess. I feel this is a scam by the car manufacturers and
dealers because there must be a way of preventing this from happening but
its obviously not in there interest to prevent it as the income that it
generates for the garages is an income paid by the insurance. I.e free
turnover! I would just like someone who as expierenced this or nows more
about it to enlighten me as to why this is happening???

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