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Re: K&N Panel Air Filter - better performance?
| Fred W | 29 Oct 2007 16:08 |
>> Care to show one documented proof that they filter poorly? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > being used. The K&N was simply awful - they went back to standard paper > based filters. Excellent!! That's just what I was looking for. Now I can continue to using the stock dry paper type filters for a good reason. ;-)
 Signature -Fred W
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| admin | 24 Oct 2007 19:57 |
> Care to show one documented proof that they filter poorly? Sure.. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm
And you might want to read the entire article..
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest1.htm
> I know, I';ve read it bazillions of times online too. I've just never > seen good proof that this is the case. Perhaps it's people that don't > know that you have to oil the filters? Well - now you HAVE seen it. This isn't the only test like this I've seen. There was another one with industrial equipment - where they did regular oil tests for silica (sand) - and matched it up to the filters being used. The K&N was simply awful - they went back to standard paper based filters.
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| Fred W | 23 Oct 2007 22:23 |
>>> Just wondering if replacing the stock filter with the above would >>> noticeably [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > IMHO - K&N = marketing over performance. Care to show one documented proof that they filter poorly?
I know, I';ve read it bazillions of times online too. I've just never seen good proof that this is the case. Perhaps it's people that don't know that you have to oil the filters?
 Signature -Fred W
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| admin | 22 Oct 2007 20:23 |
>> Just wondering if replacing the stock filter with the above would noticeably >> improve performance or sound. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Karl Winkler > http://www.sandiastrings.com The problems with K&N go beyond the poor fit (and they do fit poorly..)
They also don't filter as well as the OEM paper filter - in numerous tests it's been shown they let more dirt through than the factory filter does. The oil on them also has a bad habit of migrating down the air-stream through your MAF (Mass-Air-Flow sensor) - and often is responsible for the failure of the MAF (which costs $200-500 depend on what engine you have and how many you have..) BMW will not warranty any MAF on an engine using an oiled filter. The filtering is worst when the filter is freshly cleaned and oiled, and gets progressively better over time as the filter starts plugging up.. until it gets so plugged up the dirt ends up being pulled through the coarse cloth mesh. They are not really a good thing for your engine.
The cost savings is actually also questionable. BMW makes a filter that tends to self-shed dirt it picks up. They typically last well beyond the recommended replacement interval with some simple removal, and tapping out of trapped dirt. On ones that are an updraft design - it isn't even necessary to perform that cleaning step - the design is such the dirt falls out of the filter into the airbox. For the cost of one K&N you can purchase at least 3 stock air filters from a discount vendor.
Performance gains also can't be reliably shown. BMW is awfully good at designing engines and designing them for maximum performance. There is no reason for them to go undersize on an airfilter since the cost per unit increase for an adequately sized one is negligible. They're not going to leave HP laying around on the table for some bozos cobbling crap together in a garage to pick up.
IMHO - K&N = marketing over performance.
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| Karl Winkler | 22 Oct 2007 19:58 |
> Just wondering if replacing the stock filter with the above would noticeably > improve performance or sound. > > Any comments? I realize this is an old thread but as it happens, I was discussing this very thing with my mechanic today. I've read about these filters on the forums and was curious. The people backing K&N claim a 3-4 MPG gain in normal driving, and a HP or two gain in more spirited driving. I was also intrigued by the "clean & re-use" aspect of these filters.
My mechanic (Wittler Auto here in Albuquerque) told me that in theory, these filters might be a good idea, but actually, they have a fairly serious drawback. The seal is made of a silicone material, and according to the Wittler, they've seen lots of these filters with deformed seals. Seems that the seals deform when they get hot, i.e. the silicone gets too soft. Thus, when the seal is deformed, unfiltered air gets through to the engine. Thus, they aren't too fond of these things. He did say that *if they were made better* they might be OK. But, they would cost a lot more, too. So, for the time being, I'm skipping them and staying with the standard OEM type filters in my 530.
Karl Winkler http://www.sandiastrings.com
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| Hurst | 23 Sep 2007 18:42 |
Just wondering if replacing the stock filter with the above would noticeably improve performance or sound.
Any comments?
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