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Re: K&N Panel Air Filter - better performance?
| Brian | 23 Oct 2007 02:53 |
>>> Just wondering if replacing the stock filter with the above would >>> noticeably [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > IMHO - K&N = marketing over performance. I bought a K&N filter for my 1987 Toyota about 165000 miles ago and what I have noticed is it has shrunk somewhat, it still fits good and passes smog every time. the filter is 20 years old and is cleaned with every 3000 mile oil change. So that's 55 air filters @ 9 dollars a piece or a savings of about 495 dollars.
After reading all the opinions about the K&N air filters and my own experience and reviewing, the filter designs are somewhat flawed. I think K&N could have used better material that does not shrink over time. Advanced Flow Engineering Air Filters claims better material than what I have in my old, yet still good K&N air filter. I bought one for my 330CI and am hoping for the best.
Cheers,
Brian
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| admin | 22 Oct 2007 20:23 |
>> Just wondering if replacing the stock filter with the above would noticeably >> improve performance or sound. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Karl Winkler > http://www.sandiastrings.com The problems with K&N go beyond the poor fit (and they do fit poorly..)
They also don't filter as well as the OEM paper filter - in numerous tests it's been shown they let more dirt through than the factory filter does. The oil on them also has a bad habit of migrating down the air-stream through your MAF (Mass-Air-Flow sensor) - and often is responsible for the failure of the MAF (which costs $200-500 depend on what engine you have and how many you have..) BMW will not warranty any MAF on an engine using an oiled filter. The filtering is worst when the filter is freshly cleaned and oiled, and gets progressively better over time as the filter starts plugging up.. until it gets so plugged up the dirt ends up being pulled through the coarse cloth mesh. They are not really a good thing for your engine.
The cost savings is actually also questionable. BMW makes a filter that tends to self-shed dirt it picks up. They typically last well beyond the recommended replacement interval with some simple removal, and tapping out of trapped dirt. On ones that are an updraft design - it isn't even necessary to perform that cleaning step - the design is such the dirt falls out of the filter into the airbox. For the cost of one K&N you can purchase at least 3 stock air filters from a discount vendor.
Performance gains also can't be reliably shown. BMW is awfully good at designing engines and designing them for maximum performance. There is no reason for them to go undersize on an airfilter since the cost per unit increase for an adequately sized one is negligible. They're not going to leave HP laying around on the table for some bozos cobbling crap together in a garage to pick up.
IMHO - K&N = marketing over performance.
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| Karl Winkler | 22 Oct 2007 19:58 |
> Just wondering if replacing the stock filter with the above would noticeably > improve performance or sound. > > Any comments? I realize this is an old thread but as it happens, I was discussing this very thing with my mechanic today. I've read about these filters on the forums and was curious. The people backing K&N claim a 3-4 MPG gain in normal driving, and a HP or two gain in more spirited driving. I was also intrigued by the "clean & re-use" aspect of these filters.
My mechanic (Wittler Auto here in Albuquerque) told me that in theory, these filters might be a good idea, but actually, they have a fairly serious drawback. The seal is made of a silicone material, and according to the Wittler, they've seen lots of these filters with deformed seals. Seems that the seals deform when they get hot, i.e. the silicone gets too soft. Thus, when the seal is deformed, unfiltered air gets through to the engine. Thus, they aren't too fond of these things. He did say that *if they were made better* they might be OK. But, they would cost a lot more, too. So, for the time being, I'm skipping them and staying with the standard OEM type filters in my 530.
Karl Winkler http://www.sandiastrings.com
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| Hurst | 23 Sep 2007 18:42 |
Just wondering if replacing the stock filter with the above would noticeably improve performance or sound.
Any comments?
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