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Re: BMW Hindenburg?
| sjmassey | 27 Oct 2007 12:25 |
Some interesting responses here.
In the US where is this hydrogen sourced from. A quote from this article
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,448648,00.html
states
"But the image is one of deceit. Because the hydrogen dispensed at the new filling station is generated primarily from petroleum and natural gas, the new car puts about as much strain on the environment as a heavy truck with a diesel engine."
I am all for environmentally friendlier vehicles and want to buy a hybrid next, but I am unsure if hydrogen is one of the solutions.
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| Dori A Schmetterling | 17 Oct 2007 18:39 |
Hardly!
"Icelandic New ENergy is mostly involved in demonstrational and research projects. The Hydrogen business has not reached its maturity so INE is still building up a knowledge base."
The cars only started a few weeks ago.
And then I am sure most of it is within 10 miles of Reykjavik, where the vast majority of people live.
Yeah, and in Iceland they heat many homes from a naturally-occurring hot water supply? And?
DAS
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> In Iceland they have been doing it for years. Hydrogen distribution, > that is. > > http://www.ectos.is/newenergy/en/ |
| VernMan@my.home | 15 Oct 2007 21:53 |
>>People like BMW are investing, I think (!), because they are hedging their >>bets politically and perhaps because the fuel cell might provide a slighly [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >have a future. >--scott In Iceland they have been doing it for years. Hydrogen distribution, that is.
http://www.ectos.is/newenergy/en/
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| Scott Dorsey | 15 Oct 2007 00:50 |
>People like BMW are investing, I think (!), because they are hedging their >bets politically and perhaps because the fuel cell might provide a slighly >cheaper solution than making and distibuting liquid hydogen, which is >hoorendously expensive energy-wise. Ideally what you want is a fuel cell that can run on more complex hydrocarbons like propane or even gasoline, or possibly a fuel cell with a pre-processing unit in front of it that will accept propane or gasoline.
Gasoline is really, really hard to beat for energy density, and while it's hard to safely manage store, we have a century of experience building that technology. The problem is that internal combustion engines are inefficient, and more so when they are run well below maximum power.
So, even if hydrogen distribution may not be practical, fuel cells may still have a future. --scott
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| Dori A Schmetterling | 14 Oct 2007 22:55 |
I agree with all the objections (see also the second comment). The fact sheet is inaccessible, to me at the momemnt anyway, even if inserting a 'g' in front of eneral and adding a www.
People like BMW are investing, I think (!), because they are hedging their bets politically and perhaps because the fuel cell might provide a slighly cheaper solution than making and distibuting liquid hydogen, which is hoorendously expensive energy-wise.
DAS
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>A thoughtful piece written by Jerry Flint, Senior Automotive editor at > Forbes magazine, has been posted on the Edmunds' website. In it, Flint [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > BMW NewsHub: News from car websites, portals and blogs > http://www.carshops247.co.uk/news/BMW.html |
| sjmassey | 12 Oct 2007 09:17 |
A thoughtful piece written by Jerry Flint, Senior Automotive editor at Forbes magazine, has been posted on the Edmunds' website. In it, Flint expresses his doubts that hydrogen powered cars are anything much more than a fantasy. He has a point, in fact, several points ? all good.
Read more http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/bmw-hindenburg-ar45113.html
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