Re: The Right of Locomotion
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Re: The Right of Locomotion
| gcmschemist@gmail.com | 22 Jul 2005 15:47 |
> What I consider SPAM is when people respond to issues, with no > intention of discussing the issue. Except when the "issue" is a made-up one, where only one person actually gives a sh.t.
> You've opened up dialog concerning the issue, weak as it might have > been. No, you're just trolling.
Nobody in r.a.d. seems to give one little rat's a.s about your pet project.
Maybe you'd have more luck in alt.kooks?
Now, don't get me wrong - I appreciate your motivations on the issue. Obviously the right to drive is not your real motivation. Your real motivation is to have a pissing match in usenet. Otherwise you'd go and do something real, instead of having your face glued to a monitor.
Oh, the right to drive? I couldn't care less. With every other issue out there, up to and including the stuff I have to do when I get home tonight, it ranks right down there with the reproductive habits of archaebacteria.
E.P.
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| proffsl | 22 Jul 2005 00:47 |
> Proffsl wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Isn't this now the third time you've posted this right-to-drive stuff, No. It's more like the tenth time I posted this Right-OF-LOCOMOTION stuff, and it won't be the last.
> which effectively makes it Usenet spam? What you call "spam", I call my soap box and my Right of Speech. Another Right you might not be aware of.
What I consider SPAM is when people respond to issues, with no intention of discussing the issue.
You've opened up dialog concerning the issue, weak as it might have been. I consider this issue to be of pivotal importance in many ways. Especially so now since there intentions to attach the National ID Abomination to Driver Licenses. I demand our Government abide strictly by the Constitution. I would think you should too.
Are you afraid to find out? Are you afraid it will put you up against something bigger than you? Are you afraid you;ll feel foolish for allowing yourself to be fooled all your life? Are you afraid of the truth?
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| Daniel W. Rouse Jr. | 20 Jul 2005 17:49 |
> Is it really so difficult to shake off the harness? Clearly, in a knee > jerk fashon, you fealt the need to try to humiliate me. But, for who's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > proved anything to anybody, other than the ability to plagerize cutesy > limericks? [snip...]
Isn't this now the third time you've posted this right-to-drive stuff, which effectively makes it Usenet spam?
The right of locomotion means--literally--the right to move oneself. One can freely do that with their own legs, as well as any wheeled/non-motor vehicle of their choice (e.g., bicycle, skateboard, inline roller-skates)... subject to any additional restrictions about wheeled/non-motored vehicles in their respective area.
However, when extended to a multi-ton motor vehicle that can injure or kill oneself and/or others if not properly controlled--driving is properly left as a privilege rather than an unalienable right. As it is now, enough so-called licensed drivers--where the license is supposed to indicate proficiency in the knowledge of the laws of driving and competent behind-the-wheel control of the motor vehicle--make enough driving errors and intentional violations of various laws of driving that there are multiple collisions reported on an hourly basis.
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| proffsl | 20 Jul 2005 09:22 |
Is it really so difficult to shake off the harness? Clearly, in a knee jerk fashon, you fealt the need to try to humiliate me. But, for who's benefit, for what purpose, and in who's eyes? I present you with evidence of my claim, you offer no counter evidence of any sort, then come off with some cutesy limerick! Are you under the impression you proved anything to anybody, other than the ability to plagerize cutesy limericks?
You have lived in this harness for so long, you are afraid to live without it, you are afraid to consider living without it, and to avoid doing that, you are afraid to even admit the harness exists! And, in your case, plagiarizing cutesy limericks is a defense mechanism, protecting you from unwanted thought and observations.
You probably wouldn't dare follow it, but this is a link to a site where the 1937 Detroit Michigan Driver's Handbook is shown. At the time of the publishing of this handbook, "driving" was still openly admitted by Cities and States as a Right. http://www.us-highways.com/trtdr00.htm
Let's try another approach at this. Surely you would have to admit our Constitution recognizes our Personal Right to Liberty. And, surely you would have to admit that this implies a Personal Right to Travel on Public Highways, Roads, Paths, and other Public Right of Ways. If you can't admit even this, then I can only think you humiliate yourself.
Assuming you admit we have the Personal Right to Travel on our Public Highways, in what manner should we Travel on them other than the Ordinary (the usual) manner of Travel on them? Should we be limited to only extraordinary manners of Travel on them, which in turn may be, and are in many places, prohibited because they obstruct the ordinary manner of Travel?
And, how can you have a Right to something extraordinary which can be prohibited because it obstructs the ordinary? You can't! If there must be a choice between the Ordinary manner of Travel and a certain extraordinary manner of Travel, the Right must always go with the Ordinary manner of Travel.
If you have the Right to Travel on Public Highways, Roads, Paths and other Public Right of Ways, then you have the Right to Travel on Public Highways, and you have the Right to Travel on Public Roads, and you have the Right to Travel on Public Paths, and you have the Right to Travel on other Public Right of Ways.
If you have the Right to Travel on Public Highways, then, formost, you have the Right to Travel on them in the manner Ordinarly used on them. The Ordinary manner yesterday was the Ordinary manner yesterday. The Ordinary manner today is the Ordinary manner today. The Ordinary manner tomorrow will be the Ordinary manner tomorrow.
We have the Right to the Ordinary manner of Travel used on any particular stretch of Public Highway, Road, Path or other Public Right of Way at any particular time.
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| Bernard Farquart | 20 Jul 2005 05:48 |
snip whine
If wishes were fishes, you sure would have a nice dinner, huh?
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| proffsl | 20 Jul 2005 03:20 |
The US Supreme Court has recognized our Right of Locomotion:
"Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to remove from one place to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal liberty, and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through the territory of any state is a right secured by the 14th Amendment and by other provisions of the Constitution." - Williams v. Fears, 179 U.S. 270 (1900) - http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=179&invol=270#274
Examine this carefully. This is YOUR Right. You NEED to Understand EXACTLY WHAT is your Right.
Note: "and the right, ordinarly"
Which Right? "of locomotion", "to remove from one place to another", "of personal liberty", "of free transit". AKA: Personal Travel.
How? "ordinarly".
Where? "from or through the territory of any state". AKA: Public Property.
We have the Right of Locomotion Ordinarly used for Personal Travel on Public Property.
Even expressed in this form, from experience debating this issue, there will be those who still don't understand what their Right is.
Let me rephrase it. On any particular stretch of Public Property, you have a Right to use WHATEVER Locomotion is Ordinarly used on that stretch.
On Public Sidewalks, the Locomotion Ordinarly used is Walking, and we have a Right to Walk on Public Sidewalks.
On Public Biketrails, the Locomotion Ordinarly used is Bikes, and we have a Right to Bike on Public Biketrails.
What is the Locomotion Ordinarly used for Personal Travel on our Public Highways?
It is, of course, the Automobile.
On Public Highways, the Locomotion Ordinarly used is the Auto, and we have a Right to use Autos on Public Highways.
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