Re: pulling HEAVY, now what?
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Re: pulling HEAVY, now what?
| Nathan W. Collier | 29 May 2007 00:41 |
> With regard to your warranty concerns, you'd be tearing up your new > truck's warranty the minute you hook up that toy hauler... DC only rates > them at 15,350 (and that's with 4.10's). does that apply to 5th wheel loads which combines pin weight and trailer weight? isnt the gcvwr on the '07s somewhere around 26000#?
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| Tom Lawrence | 29 May 2007 00:05 |
> from trading my '05 im looking at financing $39,992 and if i can grow to > live with the new headlights i might just grab it up. any opininions on > this setup (6.7/6 speed auto/OEM engine brake)? Hmmm... so you're going to toss all you've already paid on your '05, plus an extra $3K, to buy a $37K truck, just to get an extra in-between gear in your transmission (the 6spd has two overdrive gears) with an engine brake? Just questioning the financial end here...
As for the new truck itself, it's still pretty new, so not a lot of time to form any opinions on it. I'm sure the engine is solid - but it's too soon to tell about things like particulate filters, cats, fuel economy (since it's gotta constantly use more fuel to burn out the residue that builds up in the DPF), etc.
With regard to your warranty concerns, you'd be tearing up your new truck's warranty the minute you hook up that toy hauler... DC only rates them at 15,350 (and that's with 4.10's).
Given that, my vote would be to spend the money setting up your current truck to do what you want it to do. In the end, I think you'll be saving money, and getting a better-performing truck out of it.
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| Nathan W. Collier | 28 May 2007 19:54 |
thanks for all the help. my local dealer has a 6.7 bighorn edition 6 speed auto with the exhaust brake that i can buy for $37,000. after wrap around from trading my '05 im looking at financing $39,992 and if i can grow to live with the new headlights i might just grab it up. any opininions on this setup (6.7/6 speed auto/OEM engine brake)?
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>> braking, but if i keep this truck i would probably wait until chrysler >> releases their upgrade. any ideas on when that might be? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > swears by a single disc in their converters, and cranks up line pressure > to get the extra holding power. |
| Tom Lawrence | 28 May 2007 04:33 |
> braking, but if i keep this truck i would probably wait until chrysler > releases their upgrade. any ideas on when that might be? Don't hold your breath.... they have zero incentive to do so. Those who wanted/needed exhaust braking have turned to the aftermarket.
>> If you go with their torque converter (IMO, the only "weak link" left in >> the factory 48RE > > gotta link by chance? http://www.atsdiesel.com
To be fair, you should also check out the other big Dodge transmission shop, DTT: http://www.dieseltrans.com
Note that ATS uses a 5-clutch setup in their torque converter. DTT still swears by a single disc in their converters, and cranks up line pressure to get the extra holding power.
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| Nathan W. Collier | 28 May 2007 04:13 |
> The 3rd gen Rams have some great brakes - however, I'd definitely want an > exhaust brake when pulling that kind of load. Your truck's computer isn't > exhaust-brake-aware, and an upgrade (though promised by DC) isn't > available yet. when i set the cruise control for 70 mph for example, and start down a grade with the 16,000# camper in tow the truck starts to speed up. when it reaches about 5 mph or so above the cruise set point the truck downshifts to slow itself until it gets back down to the set point. i know this isnt the same thing as a real engine brake, but it was somewhat effective. the camper has excellent brakes and my prodigy does a great job controlling it, although dialing it in is proving difficult. i would like to add engine braking, but if i keep this truck i would probably wait until chrysler releases their upgrade. any ideas on when that might be?
> Since you asked about turning up the engine's power, we can assume you're > cool with throwing caution to the wind, and assuming warranty > responsibilities. actually, im hoping to keep this truck as close to stock as possible for longevity. im so dang tired of eating wrap-around and planned on keeping this truck indefinately....unless i end up trading it on an '07.
> If you go with their torque converter (IMO, the only "weak link" left in > the factory 48RE gotta link by chance?
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| Tom Lawrence | 28 May 2007 01:41 |
> please see http://inlinediesel.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=617 and give > me your feedback and advice. > thanks, Okay - several things here. Yes, pulling power is a good thing - so is stopping power. The 3rd gen Rams have some great brakes - however, I'd definitely want an exhaust brake when pulling that kind of load. Your truck's computer isn't exhaust-brake-aware, and an upgrade (though promised by DC) isn't available yet. Since you asked about turning up the engine's power, we can assume you're cool with throwing caution to the wind, and assuming warranty responsibilities.
With that, I'd suggest some mild tranny upgrades. I'm an ATS guy when it comes to transmissions (others have their preferences, but I've flogged the ever-lovin' crap out of mine, without much of a problem). If you go with their torque converter (IMO, the only "weak link" left in the factory 48RE setup) and valve body, along with their ATS Commander (may have changed the name of that - the electronic controller), you'll have what you need to run an exhaust brake. Their box can talk to your exhaust brake controller, and make sure the brake disengages if/when the TCC unlocks (though, with their control box, you can maintain lockup all the way down to 4MPH, if you so desired - it's adjustable). In the ATS world, that's their "Stage 3" (or Option 3) selection, for about $2,700. Add another $1,000 for an exhaust brake. I'd also throw in a few hundred $$$ for the Mag-Hytec double-deep tranny pan. It provides better cooling, and more fluid capacity (which is also better for cooling).
For the power side, I still think TST is the best in the business. Their latest revision of their Powermax box has plenty of bells and whistles... two user adjustable fueling curves (both low-RPM and high-RPM curves), user-adjustable fuel pressure (I don't recommend going too much over stock pressure, if at all - but the option's there), user-adjustable timing (really only useful if using it in conjunction with other boxes, but hey - it's there), and built-in protection (defueling) based on EGT's and boost pressure. There's also a built-in cool-down timer (you can turn the ignition off and lock up the truck - it'll continue to idle until a preset temp. or time limit, then shut the truck off). It gives you digital EGT and boost gauges, a rail pressure gauge (useful if you're going to muck with fuel pressure), and comes with four different base programs (three performance programs, one fuel economy program). For $900, it's all you'll ever need in the way of boxes or programmers - good for anywhere from stock to 600HP at the wheels (and I got the dyno sheets to prove it! :) Now, you can't get that kind of power just by throwing this box on there (well, you could, but without a better intake, bigger/free-flow exhaust, and larger turbo, you'd melt the engine in short order), but the point is it's got the ability to deliver.
With the added power, I don't think a gear swap would be necessary. With a manual, I might think differently, but the auto gives you a little more flexibility in that area.
In addition, I'd definitely recommend a trans temp gauge. They go for about $55. I also recommend installing the sensor in the return line from the cooler. If you've got a flaring tool and get some AN fittings, you can do this yourself - otherwise, I recommend a $75 replacement cooler line from Mass Diesel that has the port already installed.
So, for about $5K, you can set your truck up to pull (and stop) your trailer comfortably. Yeah, a 6spd auto would be nice... the 6.7L engine would be nice... but I don't think you're going to do better than $5K on a trade-in.
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| Nathan W. Collier | 27 May 2007 07:25 |
please see http://inlinediesel.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=617 and give me your feedback and advice. thanks,
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