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Re: 2002 Intrepid

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Re: 2002 Intrepid

Abby.Normal06 May 2007 15:39
Will do and thanks for all your help.  This car fits her better than that
big Intrepid did anyway.

>> I found it.  Funny thing happened when I checked the codes again.  There
>> weren't any stored and I never reset the computer.  I wiggled the purge
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> Happy Motoring!!

maxpower06 May 2007 11:29
> I found it.  Funny thing happened when I checked the codes again.  There
> weren't any stored and I never reset the computer.  I wiggled the purge
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> > Don't give up on it!!! I believe the purge valve is just under the master
> > cylinder on that vehicle.

Happy Motoring!!

Abby.Normal06 May 2007 02:39
I found it.  Funny thing happened when I checked the codes again.  There
weren't any stored and I never reset the computer.  I wiggled the purge
valve then checked for codes - none.  The pre-emissions tests on the reader
also said everything was OK.  It's like a different car is being scanned.

Too late anyway.  We just traded it in for a new Sebring.  Same
motor-smaller car.  Love it!!

Thanks again, Glenn.

>> Thanks again, Glenn.  It's heading to the shop on Monday.  I can't even
> find
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> Don't give up on it!!! I believe the purge valve is just under the master
> cylinder on that vehicle.

maxpower05 May 2007 19:58
> Thanks again, Glenn.  It's heading to the shop on Monday.  I can't even find
> the purge valve on this car and have wasted enough of your time just getting
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> > Glenn Beasley
> > Chrysler Tech

Don't give up on it!!! I believe the purge valve is just under the master
cylinder on that vehicle.

Abby.Normal05 May 2007 18:04
Thanks again, Glenn.  It's heading to the shop on Monday.  I can't even find
the purge valve on this car and have wasted enough of your time just getting
this far.  Every time I open the hood on this thing I shiver.  Next car is
going to be a Stratus.  In fact, I may just take it in and trade it today
for one.

>> The EV and O lights are "pre-emissions test" indicators on the tool.  The
>> code is back as we both expected and it brings up is P0441 and my
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> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech

maxpower05 May 2007 12:00
> The EV and O lights are "pre-emissions test" indicators on the tool.  The
> code is back as we both expected and it brings up is P0441 and my "official"
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> >
> > Glenn

If your scan tool was able to actuate this solenoid you would be able to see
that the ground side of the solenoid is working. On the hot side you will
have 12 volts engine running. Make sure the vacuum side of the solenoid is
ok, and the other side has no leaks going to the canister. After the leak
detection pump (LDP) test, no air flow through the evaporative system is
detected by the evap monitor. This is how the fault is set. If all looks
good replace the purge valve.

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech

Abby.Normal04 May 2007 23:56
The EV and O lights are "pre-emissions test" indicators on the tool.  The
code is back as we both expected and it brings up is P0441 and my "official"
Chrysler Service Manual states it is:

Evap Purge Flow Monitor; Insufficient or excessive vapor flow detected
during evaporative emission system operation.

My scan tool is INNOVA 3110 OBD2 Code Reader
http://www.canobd2.com/tool/ShowImage.asp?IID=3110 .  It is the exact same
one that O'Reilly Auto Parts uses for helping their customers as well as an
AutoZone I know of.  It's not bad for the home user that just needs more to
go on than a simple light on the dash.  It's by no means the $100,000+ one
that the dealership has.  There is nothing that can come close to those
beasts.

What would be the most likely cause(s) for this code to come on?

>> Glenn,
>>
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>
> Glenn

maxpower04 May 2007 19:45
> Glenn,
>
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>
> Thanks

P0441 is NOT an LDP evaporative emission fault and not related to the gas
cap. It is a purge control valve fault. I have no idea what kind of scan
tool you are using. All scan tools are not the same. But I will  take a
guess on what I think you are talking about. If you cleared your codes you
also wiped out all the monitors that have been run and passed. Now the
engine controller is going to have to run all the monitors again and pass
them. you may have to drive this vehicle several days at different  loads
and speeds to get them to pass. If the purge control problem is not fix (and
im sure it isn't with a loose cap) that monitor will never pass and the lite
will be back on.

Glenn

Abby.Normal04 May 2007 02:28
Glenn,

2000 Intrepid
2.7L, 79k miles
Trouble Code: P0441

I tightened the gas cap and cleared the codes.  The MIL went out.  I now
have no codes in the display of my scan tool, yet, but I do have indicators
on my scanner for:

EV = Evaporative System Monitor
O = Oxygen Sensor Monitor

I  suspect that the indicators on my scan tool are telling me that the
systems indicating errors need to go through a full cycle of testing before
they will go out.

1.) Could all this be caused by a loose gas cap?

2.) Is my assumption on the test cycle completion correct?

Thanks

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