I had a used VW and a used Pontiac, still same nightmare with both, NO MORE
USED period. I like new cars and I like hondas.

What Ira

Well the thing is that I don't really want the civic, its too small for me,
too cramped. I'm not a giant but I like space and comfort and a more
comfortable ride. I'm 41 so fun is not a major thing to consider, more the
comfort, performance and safety.

But if you want a new

Yes I like cars every three years, I've been leasing a while now. I'm on my
4th lease.

Its too bad Jeep is that bad, they are nice looking cars, its funny since I
heard Chrysler was decent and they use their engines in some of the Jeeps. I
know Fords are the pits and thats off my list thats for sure. You can't go
wrong with Honda or Toyota.

Al

A used Ford?  No wonder you don't want to get close to another used car.
Used Hondas in general are much more reliable than a used Ford!  What Ira
said is true about purchasing the vehicle.  In terms of economics you'd
still make out better purchasing one vs. leasing IMHO.  If the upfront $$ is
an issue, consider the Civic instead of the Accord.  But if you want a new
car every 3 years...

However if you want room and comfort, the Accord is the way to go.  They've
gotten a little larger for the '08.  Civics are mure fun to drive but won't
give you as much room or comfort as the Accord.  Whichever Honda you choose,
you can't really go wrong unless it doesn't fit your needs.  Reliability of
the Jeep vs. Honda?  I've known people with the Jeep Cherokee - no
comparison vs the Honda.  Jeeps spent more time in the shop.

-Dave

The reason I lease is because I like to get a new car every 3 years, because
I get bored easily (probably why I'm still single), and I like new things. I
don't like to have to fix things when they get old.

Buying a new car (financing) requires 15%-20% down in many cases and paying
the sales tax up front and on top of that the payments end up costing alot
more.

For instance with a 2008 accord the money down would be about $1,500.00 and
the sales tax would be worked into the lease. The payments would cost about
$360.00 per month for the 2008 ex auto.

On the other hand if I financed the 2008 accord ex auto for 3 years, I'd
have to put down $3750-$5000 dollars down and the sales tax of about $1750
and the monthly payments would still be $600.00 a month! Same insurance and
same everything else. Leasing is a no brainer. The only thing is that with a
finance you'd have a car worth about $14,000.00 at the end of the finance
and with the lease you wouldnt, but thats alot of money to shell out at the
begining and during the process.

Buying a used car i won't do, I've already done that in the past and after
owning a used Ford Taurus with only 67k miles on it all i can say is never
again to Fords and probably never again to used cars!

Al

You're obviously a person who thinks things through carefully and makes
decisions based on objective data-- so why did you lease rather than
purchase your '05? You paid a lot more than you needed to over these past
three years to drive that puppy...

Well unreliability is not something that I want either. Thats all I wanted,
information about the Jeep, although based on giving this some good thought
I am thinking more in the Civic and Accord areas. Accord will have good
comfort and Civic really good MPG. Still comfort such as what the Accord
offers is more important than the MPG since I am only averaging around
160-190 miles per week.

Basically what I am looking for is something which is roomy, comfortable,
safe and has decent performance. Snow ability and MPG are not the most
important, although good, the comfort and performance out weighs that. Plus
I tend to drive like a nut at times, drive fast and take corners fast and
stuff like that and I don't think the CRV would meet my handling and speed
requirements requirements!

If I had to choose one of the Accords it would probably be the 2008 ex 4cyl,
probably auto. My lease is up on my 2005 Accord ex in a few months, so I
will be making a desision soon.

Damn, those advertising agencies deserve a bonus!  They've done a
sterling job nurturing your insecurities!  If you're THAT worried about
driving a 'woman's car' (whatever the hell that means!) then you clearly
need a freaking Hummer.  Forget Honda altogether!

While performing a self inspection (in search of the 'set' you've been
urged to 'grow,') you might reach around and feel your back.  There
should be something hard and lumpy just under the surface.  Unless, of
course, those pesky aliens have sucked out your spine spine with that
'anal probe' thingy that gets so much press.

FWIW, I owned a late 80's Cherokee and it was a piece of junk.  Whenever
something broke and I had to replace/disassemble some bit of hardware,
I'd be AMAZED that the POS worked AT ALL.

-Moo

Hello,

I like the CRV because it has what I am looking for in a car: versatility,
comfort, space, safety, comforts and 4WD. To date I am yet to see a guy
driving one (especially the new ones) anywhere! I don't really want to be
driving a car that is labeled as a womans car. When I went to the dealer I
talked to a salesman about my interest in the CRV. The first thing he asked
was if I had kids, when I said no, he seemed surprised that I would want the
CRV and tried to get me interested in the Pilots. Unfortunately I don't have
30-36k to spend on an suv.

Now I am thinking about the possibility of getting a Jeep Patriot or Jeep
Wrangler, just don't know what the reliability is like. I know those are
considered more men's cars than the CRV. Its not that this is a big issue,
but its a little odd that only women seem to drive them. Same with the RAV4
for that matter.

I'm looking to be in the 19-24k range in the next car so I thought either of
the Jeeps would be in this range and offer some kinds of comfort and 4WD
ability.

So does anyone know anything about the Jeeps from personal experience?

Thanks,
Al