you don't!  but you can ask questions and check facts.  usenet
introduced me to people that just accept stuff as fact based simply on
the presentation style and they seemingly have no ability to research or
judge independently of that.  utterly bizarre.

that's largely true in a time when there's groups.google.com and you can
look stuff up that's been asked a billion times before.  but if it's not
there, asking "dumb" questions is absolutely the right thing to do.

personally though, i just can't be bothered with crap about "my
transmission doesn't work - what's wrong" or "why does my washer fluid
bottle take 4.7 quarts, not 5.3" - those idiots aren't here for real
questions - they're here because nobody they know personally will listen
to them.

 one such

And how do we know you're not, Jim? ;-)

It's amazing to me how much groups like this have replaced things like
reading the Owners Manual or getting a good shop manual. Or even
applying common sense! The old saw 'There is no such thing as a stupid
question' really isn't true when 'groups' are concerned...

Dan D
Central NJ USA

just 'cos he posts on .tech, doesn't mean he knows what he's talking
about - this is usenet.  another "tech" forum i frequent has a certain
poster that asserts himself to be an engineer from a certain prestigious
university, but is the most frightful bullshitter with wildly
underinformed guesses on a whole bunch of subjects about which he
clearly knows nothing.  but because he writes in a definite
authoritative style, and asserts expertise, others get suckered into
believing what he writes.  and worse, no one else questions!  one such
subject is metal fatigue, a subject i studied for many years and on
which i happen to have some experience - so i /know/ this guy's just
guessing [bullshitting].

bottom line: guesses are fine, but guesses presented as fact?  not
smart.  here's a fact for you though - collapsed rings burn oil - and
it's a one-way street that only increases.  collapsed ring consumption
is significant.  yours is [was] highish, but is not sufficient to
support this "theory".

[there /is/ a reason i don't bother with r.a.t...]

I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.11 (latest update).

The only Add-On I have installed is IE Tab, just because I hate having to
go to IE for the few pages that don't work right in Firefox. I do allow
Firefox to upgrade whenever it prompts me to, and I've found Firefox to be
completely stable and reliable.

The collapsed oil control ring theory came from a tech who posts in
rec.autos.tech. It sounds plausible to me, but without tearing the motor
apart, who knows for sure? In light of the fact that's it's academic
anyway, I do subscribe to that theory.

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
About using Firefox for the aforementioned owner's manual
web site:

I updated Firefox not long ago and it changed something in a
way I did not like. Hence I now avoid updates etc. unless
it's essential. Yes, I have been told that this is a little
risky. Yet sometimes I think there's a lot of nonsense going
around about virus risks, etc. Software companies selling
their wares.

So thanks anyway.

You do not buy the collapsed oil control ring spacer theory
you posted recently here? I have not given this any study,
other than noting you noted it.

The reason I ask is because I too have a problem reading some pages in
the Techinfo site. But only in Firefox. IE shows everything fine. In
Firefox some of the Techinfo pages have blue backgrounds, making text
hard to read unles you hit "Ctrl-A" first.

It seems some Web developers create sites and pages for IE only, not
bothering to check for compatibility with other browsers. Techinfo is
one of those.

There is a fix for Firefox, though. It's an Add-On called IE Tab.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419
Install that. Ff a page in Firefox looks weird, you can now right-click
in the window to get the drop-down menu, then choose "View Page in IE
Tab".

IE Tab works very well, obviating the need for the "Ctrl-A" trick.

I posted a question about that very issue in rec.autos.tech a few months
ago. I think basically nobody knows why this happens.

Just rolled over 298,000 yesterday. Less than 2,000 miles to go!

I just tried it in Internet Explorer and see no substantive
difference to the directions I give above.

I normally use Firefox.

Reading your oil loss records with some interest. Caught my
eye because mine seems to vary on my 91 Civic as well, at
202k miles. I was a little worried over a period of a few
months this past summer, but then it tapered off mightily.

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:13pvbi58bvt1s16
@corp.supernews.com:

Are you using Firefox as your browser??

Go to site https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp. On
the left, click on "Owner's Manuals." Follow the pointers.
Once you arrive at the pdf file, it may appear that only one
page has come up. In fact, page numbers that are highlighted
within the pdf file are links on which you can click to take
you to the page. Also, in the upper right hand corner of any
white page look for an arrow. Click the right arrow to get
to the next page. Lastly, pressing "Ctrl-A" will permit
easier reading of some of the pages at this site.

The couple who sold it to me did not have it. Thank you.
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