Re: Newer cars a lot safer? Worth the expense?
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Re: Newer cars a lot safer? Worth the expense?
| DJ NoMore | 12 Feb 2008 18:12 |
>> Nothing is perfect is all situations. In this case the airbag did >> more harm than good, but would you agree that in many situations an [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > again, that's why race cars [that tend to crash at higher speeds than > normal road users] use the latter system. I am 5'11" and I work out. I was told that my wrist or arm should have been broken by the airbag since I was blowing the horn when it deployed. I was also told that the reason my wrist/arm was not broken was due to the fact that I am a "big guy" even though I don't think of myself as that big.
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| jim beam | 12 Feb 2008 03:03 |
> Nothing is perfect is all situations. In this case the airbag did > more harm than good, but would you agree that in many situations an > airbag can protect you from serious injury; and that you are better > off with it than without it? if you're a small person with short arms that drives hunched over the wheel, the airbag will be a benefit. but if you're a larger person that sits back from the wheel, and who wears their belt, properly adjusted, the airbag is of little or no value. the way to avoid injury is to prevent the person colliding with the vehicle's interior. airbags kinda sorta help with that, but not as effectively as a helmet and belts. again, that's why race cars [that tend to crash at higher speeds than normal road users] use the latter system.
>>> vehicle they (can't) afford. An airbag is a necessity. >> I have to respectfully disagree with you on the airbag being a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> I will try to find a better picture of what my arm looked like post >> accident. |
| ahorsefly@yahoo.com | 11 Feb 2008 22:52 |
Nothing is perfect is all situations. In this case the airbag did more harm than good, but would you agree that in many situations an airbag can protect you from serious injury; and that you are better off with it than without it?
> > vehicle they (can't) afford. An airbag is a necessity. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I will try to find a better picture of what my arm looked like post > accident. |
| DJ NoMore | 11 Feb 2008 17:38 |
> I wouldn't drive, or let any member of my family drive, a vehicle without > airbags. Yeah, we all used to do it "back in the day", but things change. > There's just no good reason to not have them now. Not to mention the fact > that the roads are crowded with inattentive morons talking on cell phones > while driving 20+ MPH over the speed limit, and driving the biggest > vehicle they (can't) afford. An airbag is a necessity. I have to respectfully disagree with you on the airbag being a necessity. I was properly restrained in my accident, and the damn airbag did MORE damage to me than the accident did. Of course, I was blowing my horn when the moron crossed the center line and hit me, but nonetheless, the airbag sprained the hell out of my wrist and left me with some scars that will probably never go away.
This is what the car looked like post accident, as seen in another post: http://www.flickr.com/photos/8891294@N04/2258118240/
I will try to find a better picture of what my arm looked like post accident.
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| Dan C | 11 Feb 2008 04:29 |
>> but I feel like I should >> probably buy a newer car with airbags for more safety in a crash.
> if that is truly a concern, wear a helmet. seriously. if transport > safety authorities were serious about safety, helmets and 5-point seat > belts would be mandatory. Will a helmet keep the steering column from piercing your chest?
Will a helmet keep your neck and ribs from snapping when that SUV hits you directly on the driver's door at 60mph?
The answer to both questions is "NO". An airbag likely would, though.
I wouldn't drive, or let any member of my family drive, a vehicle without airbags. Yeah, we all used to do it "back in the day", but things change. There's just no good reason to not have them now. Not to mention the fact that the roads are crowded with inattentive morons talking on cell phones while driving 20+ MPH over the speed limit, and driving the biggest vehicle they (can't) afford. An airbag is a necessity.
> 1. paradoxically, the gas savings of more efficient modern engines are > offset by much heavier modern cars, so no benefit there. We're talking safety here, not gas mileage. Would you rather be safe(r), or save $0.23 on a trip across town?
> 2. heavier cars are harder to stop, given that tire sizes are the same > and thus available braking traction is the same. Tire sizes are generally quite a bit wider now-a-days than they used to be, not to mention the existence of ABS. Today's cars can stop *MUCH* better than a car of 15-20 years ago.
> 3. modern cars consume more resources in their manufacture. That's beyond our control, and not a factor in anything.
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| jim beam | 11 Feb 2008 04:00 |
> I have a 1991 Honda Civic and it runs well, great car.
> but I feel like I should > probably buy a newer car with airbags for more safety in a crash. if that is truly a concern, wear a helmet. seriously. if transport safety authorities were serious about safety, helmets and 5-point seat belts would be mandatory.
> Another reason I might want to buy another car is that mine is small. > A larger car would probably provide additional protection. On the > other hand, if I keep my current car I'd save money. Does anyone > think it's not necessarily worthy spending the money for a bigger car > with airbags? these are not airbag issues, but they are "should i buy a more modern car or look at the big picture" issues:
1. paradoxically, the gas savings of more efficient modern engines are offset by much heavier modern cars, so no benefit there.
2. heavier cars are harder to stop, given that tire sizes are the same and thus available braking traction is the same.
3. modern cars consume more resources in their manufacture.
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| ahorsefly@yahoo.com | 10 Feb 2008 19:56 |
I have a 1991 Honda Civic and it runs well, but I feel like I should probably buy a newer car with airbags for more safety in a crash. Another reason I might want to buy another car is that mine is small. A larger car would probably provide additional protection. On the other hand, if I keep my current car I'd save money. Does anyone think it's not necessarily worthy spending the money for a bigger car with airbags?
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