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Re: Dark Side of the Hybrids

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Re: Dark Side of the Hybrids

Sid Schweiger31 Jul 2005 02:17
>>Car batteries are not disposed of. Their materials - mostly lead -- are
recycled indefinitely. The battery industry has been continuously recycling
and reusing lead from old car batteries for more than 50 years.<<

Only problem is:  The high-voltage hybrid batteries are not lead-acid, but
nickel-metal-hydride (NiMH).

>>Brock Yates--the author of the article--stated the following in his
article: "[Batteries] are hardly biodegradable items like spoiled
vegetables. They are in fact self-contained toxic waste dumps. How and where
millions of these poisonous boxes will be deposited ... has yet to be
considered, much less resolved."<<

For Brock Yates, a reactionary conservative, to even mention recycling is
amazing all by itself...but that sounds to me as if he's making an
assumption.  I'd like to hear what Honda and the other makers of hybrids
have to say about it.

Jason30 Jul 2005 19:41
> > >The current edition of "Car and Driver" (magazine) has an interesting
> > >article about the dark side of the hybrids on page 26. The date on the
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> of developing a recycling process and infrastructure comparable to what we
> already have with lead-acid batteries.

Hello,
You may be right. I have not done any research on this subject. Brock
Yates--the author of the article--stated the following in his article:
"[Batteries] are hardly biodegradable items like spoiled vegetables. They
are in fact self-contained toxic waste dumps. How and where millions of
these poisonous boxes will be deposited ... has yet to be considered, much
less resolved."
Jason

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Doug McCrary30 Jul 2005 18:11
> >The current edition of "Car and Driver" (magazine) has an interesting
> >article about the dark side of the hybrids on page 26. The date on the
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> I don't know the specifics but it seems that recycling of such
> things is quite common these days.

See http://www.batterycouncil.org/news-edf_response.html

Which reads, in part:
5. It's hard to argue with a 97.1 percent recycling rate for battery lead, and
no other battery chemistry can come near that number.

Car batteries are not disposed of. Their materials - mostly lead -- are recycled
indefinitely. The battery industry has been continuously recycling and reusing
lead from old car batteries for more than 50 years. There is virtually no
recycling process for other chemistries, and it's hard to even imagine the cost
of developing a recycling process and infrastructure comparable to what we
already have with lead-acid batteries.

JeB30 Jul 2005 17:33
>The current edition of "Car and Driver" (magazine) has an interesting
>article about the dark side of the hybrids on page 26. The date on the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>will be placed in landfills. Imagine the harm that those batteries may do
>to the enviroment after they are laying in a landfill for 50 years.

I don't know the specifics but it seems that recycling of such
things is quite common these days.

Jason30 Jul 2005 17:17
The current edition of "Car and Driver" (magazine) has an interesting
article about the dark side of the hybrids on page 26. The date on the
cover is September 2005.

Many of the so called "greenies" have purchased hybrids because they
really care about the environment. I learned about something from the
article that I had never thought about before. What's going to happen to
those millions of batteries in hybrid vehicles after they wear out? They
will be placed in landfills. Imagine the harm that those batteries may do
to the enviroment after they are laying in a landfill for 50 years.

If you own or are planning to buy a hybrid vehicle, I advise you to read
the article.

Jason

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