Re: Defogging in humid weather
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Re: Defogging in humid weather
| Michael Wojcik | 31 Aug 2005 22:11 |
> The issue with the "safety" is that it seems others, not just myself, > experience much worse windshield fog on Honda vehicles than other > models/makes. It may simply be that (some) Hondas leak less hot air from the engine compartment out onto the base of the windshield, so it's easier to chill the exterior of a Honda windshield.
> I tried warming up the > windshield (set my inside temp to 77-78) but it actually worstened the > problem. Are you sure? Heating the windshield should not increase condensa- tion. I can think of two explanations: it didn't actually aggravate the condition (you imagined it, or it only worsened during the time it took for the windshield's outside temperature to rise), or your car has an actual defect and your problem *isn't* simple atmospheric- moisture condensation. A leaking heater core, perhaps.
I can imagine that you might be driving under conditions where it's not raining, the dew point is at or above 78 degrees[1], and there's no other source of heat for the windshield exterior (it's not sunny, for example), and so you might still get some condensation even with the temperature set that high. (And may I say I'm glad I'm not living under those conditions. Yuck.) But raising the temperature from the minimum setting couldn't cause *more* condensation of atmospheric moisture.
1. Actually, I bet the exterior of the windshield has to be somewhat below the dew point for condensation to occur, if the vehicle is in motion; otherwise air movement will allow the air flowing over the windshield to be somewhat supersaturated with moisture. So the dew point would probably have to be somewhat over the cabin temperature. I don't know enough about water-vapor physics to guess by how much, though.
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| imarks1@gmail.com | 29 Aug 2005 16:14 |
> I agree with your comments on heat. > My point is I tried with the heat with and without recirc. and the problem [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >>Thanks > >>Tom The issue with the "safety" is that it seems others, not just myself, experience much worse windshield fog on Honda vehicles than other models/makes. I drove a Camry, Maxima, and Caravan Minivans...and don't recall a prob with the windshield fogging in any of them. While I don't disagree with your assursion that it is cause by outside elements, it still seems odd that Honda vehicles seem to be reacting worse than others. The wipers don't help too much especially when driving on 2-way roads, at night. The oncoming headlight glare illuminates the fog and makes it hard to see even with the wipers on. Hence, the saftey issue. It is possible that the Honda glass is thicker (it does seem to be very thick..never compared though) and therefore the problem is somehow exaserbated. I tried warming up the windshield (set my inside temp to 77-78) but it actually worstened the problem.
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| TF | 29 Aug 2005 15:27 |
I agree with your comments on heat. My point is I tried with the heat with and without recirc. and the problem was still there... I never noticed this before with other vehicles....
Tom
>>I have to agree..Just bought a CRV with 300 miles on it. Night time 68f >>90% [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >>> of the outside fog. Any suggestions? Anybody else with the same >>> problem? |
| flobert | 29 Aug 2005 15:08 |
>I have to agree..Just bought a CRV with 300 miles on it. Night time 68f 90% >humidity, no problem with clearing inside but outside had to use wipers and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Taurus..... >Sounds like a safety issue to me....Something is not right..... Its not a safety issue at all. when you use your AC on cool to clear the glass, you're clearing the inside, by removing the internal humidity. however, the glass is cold enough to drop below the external dew point. Solution - heat the windscreen up - that is what the defrost setting on your car heater is for!. Warm the glass, its not a proble. My experiance is that american vehicles (such as the taurus and jeep0 tend to have thinner and/or less insulating glass, so the gradient between in and out isn't so bad.
I have, however, had this problem on EVERY SINGLE CAR i've ever owned, one time or another - and most of them don't and never have had, AC. in those cases, you run the engine fora bit, get the inside warm, then stick the wipers on intimittant, or use the manual single-sweep when needed..
What is all this obsessing with 'this sounds like a safety issue' - even *IF* it was, there would be no recall, since a solution (THE WIPERS) are already included into the design of the car.
>Thanks >Tom [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> of the outside fog. Any suggestions? Anybody else with the same >> problem? |
| TF | 29 Aug 2005 14:20 |
I have to agree..Just bought a CRV with 300 miles on it. Night time 68f 90% humidity, no problem with clearing inside but outside had to use wipers and it still left a film which built up right away with moisture. Cleaned window on outside and inside with good glass cleaner to no help. Tried heat and cold and all in between. The wipers need to run almost constantly, hell I thought there was a leak in engine compartment... Never had this problem with other vehicles on same night- Jeep Cherokee and Taurus..... Sounds like a safety issue to me....Something is not right.....
Thanks Tom
> Can someone please post the best method of defogging ones' winshield in > humid (hot) weather? I put my defogger on highest possible fan...and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > of the outside fog. Any suggestions? Anybody else with the same > problem? |
| imarks1@gmail.com | 29 Aug 2005 03:52 |
Can someone please post the best method of defogging ones' winshield in humid (hot) weather? I put my defogger on highest possible fan...and the fog from the inside of the window goes away completely. However, the winshield is still fogged up from the outside and refuses to go away without the use of my wipers. Even then it does not go away completeley (still a thin layer of fog)...and then returns fully in a few seconds unless I keep my wipers on (even though its not raining). I never had this problem before with my other cars. It only seems to be happening on my new 2005 Honda Acoord. I spoke to a friend who also purchased the same car...and he complaind of the same problem. Neither blowing cold or hot air with or w/o the A/C seemed to get rid of the outside fog. Any suggestions? Anybody else with the same problem?
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