Re: Main relay solder connections - quick fix?
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Re: Main relay solder connections - quick fix?
| TeGGeR® | 31 Aug 2005 13:52 |
> Good news, I followed the steps below and felt every click. So the > main relay is ruled out. Also tried the off-on x 6, the engine did not > start. > > The last reco is a little out of my league, I think I'd need more docs > about plugs and sparks before attempting that. Easy as pie. Really. Just go buy any kind of cheap automotive spark plug. Bend the electrode with a pair of pliers as jim beam says. Pull the easiest plug wire you can find from its plug, and insert the plug in the plug wire.
Touch the plug to any ground (valve cover bolt, battery negative terminal, etc). Now have a friend crank the engine. If you're getting spark, it will be loud and yellow.
If you're worried about getting electrocuted, don't. If you do happen to get a shock, it does absolutely *no* harm at all. It just startles you.
Actually, you don't even need a spare plug. Just hold the empty plug wire close to a ground (any bare metal part on the engine) about 1/4" or 1/2" away. Then have your friend crank for a second or two.
DO NOT allow the car to start with the plug wire removed! If it should happen to start, shut it down immediately to protect the ignition coil.
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| hutchtoo | 31 Aug 2005 02:15 |
Good news, I followed the steps below and felt every click. So the main relay is ruled out. Also tried the off-on x 6, the engine did not start.
The last reco is a little out of my league, I think I'd need more docs about plugs and sparks before attempting that.
> Not necessarily. All it means is that the fuel pump is running for two > seconds. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > gap > as somebody cranks. Any spark? |
| TeGGeR® | 31 Aug 2005 00:49 |
>> You dont' even have to touch it to prove if it's causing the problem. >> In a quiet place, turn the key to position II. Listen to fuel pump [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > means the main relay IS working OK, since I didn't need to slap the > dashboard...? :) Not necessarily. All it means is that the fuel pump is running for two seconds.
Reach behind the dash so you can feel the Main Relay. Turn the ignition to ON (not START) There should be a click as the Check Engine light goes on, then anoher as it goes off. You will hear the pump run for two seconds. Turn the key to START. At that point you should feel a THIRD click.
If you feel all those clicks, the Main Relay is OK. If any clicks are missing, the Main Relay has a cracked solder problem.
If the Main Relay is OK, turn the key to ON, wait for the Check Engine light to go off, then turn the key to OFF again. Quickly repeat a half- dozen times or so. If it now starts, the fuel pump check valve is bad, allowing pressure to bleed off.
If it still does not start, check for spark as you crank. Buy a cheap spark plug at the store (doesn't matter what kind), pull one of the plug wires, insert the new plug, hold the hex part against a ground, then watch the gap as somebody cranks. Any spark?
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The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
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| hutchtoo | 30 Aug 2005 23:08 |
> You dont' even have to touch it to prove if it's causing the problem. In > a quiet place, turn the key to position II. Listen to fuel pump run for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Have you checked that that your timing belt isn't broken yet? When I turn the key to position 2, I hear a soft ~2-second whir which is probably the pump, followed by a non-start. By your logic, that means the main relay IS working OK, since I didn't need to slap the dashboard...? :)
My timing belts are probably 15,000 miles old so they should be healthy.
Thanks for the helpful ideas.
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| 'Curly Q. Links' | 30 Aug 2005 21:44 |
> In an earlier thread (1994 Honda Civic won't start) people recommended > that I check the main relay to rule out a failed solder connection (for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thanks. =============================
You dont' even have to touch it to prove if it's causing the problem. In a quiet place, turn the key to position II. Listen to fuel pump run for 2 seconds. If it doesn't run, smack the dash and listen. If pump runs, it's your Main Relay. You car will now start, and the vibration will keep the relay working until you shut the engine off.
Have you checked that that your timing belt isn't broken yet?
'Curly'
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| hutchtoo | 30 Aug 2005 17:52 |
In an earlier thread (1994 Honda Civic won't start) people recommended that I check the main relay to rule out a failed solder connection (for example http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/mainrelay.html).
Would it suffice to simply touch up the existing connections with the tip of a soldering iron?
Looking for an easier workaround than re/desoldering just to rule out this simple part...
Thanks.
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