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Re: crank bolt tightening debate
| jim beam | 05 Nov 2005 13:57 |
>>this afternoon, i went to my favorite junkyard and bought two crank >>bolts. one from an 91 civic, one from a 92 civic. i'm going to post [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > http://square.cjb.cc/bolts.htm that's bunk. you're citing rolled vs. cut threads as evidence of some kind of ratchet mechanism? no. threads are rolled for fatigue resistance - rolling has nothing to do with ratcheting. oh, and yes, i /have/ looked at plenty of bolts under microscopes, thanks.
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| Burt S. | 05 Nov 2005 09:21 |
> this afternoon, i went to my favorite junkyard and bought two crank > bolts. one from an 91 civic, one from a 92 civic. i'm going to post [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > reduced lash would help in this regard also. > time to get out the camera... As I suspected. I've created a page just to explain my reasoning check it out here.
http://square.cjb.cc/bolts.htm
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| jim beam | 05 Nov 2005 01:07 |
this afternoon, i went to my favorite junkyard and bought two crank bolts. one from an 91 civic, one from a 92 civic. i'm going to post the pics later this evening, but the observations are these:
_91_ * eyeball=poppingly hard to shift - had to get a fulcrum and bounce full bodyweight at the end of a 18"x3/4" breaker bar. * no evidence of loctite. * clear fretting damage on the mating surface between the washer & the bolt head. * no evidence of corrosion. [i'm in california] * pulley wheel locked with single woodruff key.
_92_ * it was definitely snug, but i could remove with one hand. * bolt thread clearly loctited. * no evidence of fretting. * no evidence of corrosion. * pulley wheel splined /and/ woodruffed.
now, we all know what loctite does - it binds threads so they don't move. no movement means no possible further tightening. loctite also means a bolt is hard to remove compared to its fastening torque.
conclusions:
1. there is /definitely/ lash in the 91 pulley wheel - something that honda evidently felt needed to be addressed with the addition of a splined interface for the 92. [splines don't eliminate lash, but help mitigate it.] fretting [or lack thereof in the case of the 92] is as clear an evidence of lash as you can get.
2. loctite /prevents/ further tightening of the bolt! hence the 92 was much easier to remove, despite the loctite's binding function. the reduced lash would help in this regard also.
time to get out the camera...
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