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Re: Honda "Drive by Wire" question... what if the power goes out?

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Re: Honda "Drive by Wire" question... what if the power goes out?

Sparky Spartacus19 Nov 2005 12:24
>>There is, therefore,
>>no valid
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> of the current state of capacity. The technology hasnt
> changed in computers,

Wow, have you told Intel, AMD, HDD manufacturers, etc., etc.?

mst18 Nov 2005 18:08
> There is, therefore,
> no valid
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> no one should ever need more than 64k of RAM on his/her
> computer.

That quote from Billy-Bob has nothing to do with advances
in design utilizing differing technologies. That only has
to do with capacity - he was basing his opinion because
of the current state of capacity. The technology hasnt
changed in computers, but the capacity of devices has,
such as faster CPUs (with increasing cache size), higher-
capacity drives, more RAM, and so on.

Higher capacity is required because of bloated operating
systems and the bloated software written by lazy programmers.

The basic design of the computer is still the same: to
move 0's and 1's around the bus to peripherals, all
controlled by various chipsets.

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Elle18 Nov 2005 17:03
> This concern has been answered eloquently by a contributor to
> these newsgroups a few years ago.  Sorry I can't name the author, but
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> "The hydraulic brake system is a textbook model of development
> to perfection. So was the hydromechanical automatic transmission --

Ya, so was the horse and buggy, the bicycle, etc.

> computerisation of the automatic transmission has taken away
> three-for-one in durability, dependability and cost of repair what
> little it has given us. We know how to make steering systems that work
> and essentially never give trouble. There is, therefore, no valid
> reason for steer-by-wire."

This reminds me of Bill Gates comment a few decades ago that
no one should ever need more than 64k of RAM on his/her
computer.

What you quote is incredibly short-sighted. It demonstrates
a lack of willingness to do any kind of investigation of why
fly-by-wire was considered. In short, these are the words
not of an engineer, scientist, or technical person but a
ninny, and a ninny tired of having more demanded of him for
his labors, at that.

He's happy with the status quo. Others are not. He should
get out of the business or certainly never enter it.

the fly18 Nov 2005 16:49
>Hi there.
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>David

    This concern has been answered eloquently by a contributor to
these newsgroups a few years ago.  Sorry I can't name the author, but
that person hit the nail squarely on the head with these words:

    ".........more importantly than that, you've got to have the
insight and wisdom to know when something has been developed to the
point where further development amounts to pointless engineering
masturbation.

    "The hydraulic brake system is a textbook model of development
to perfection. So was the hydromechanical automatic transmission --
computerisation of the automatic transmission has taken away
three-for-one in durability, dependability and cost of repair what
little it has given us. We know how to make steering systems that work
and essentially never give trouble. There is, therefore, no valid
reason for steer-by-wire."

David E. Powell18 Nov 2005 16:31
Hi there.

I have been looking at the new Honda Civic, it's pretty sweet, and the
welds and everything are as nice as anything I have ever seen. I just
have a question about the "Drive by wire" system that they are supposed
to have.

What happens if the Engine dies on you? In my current car, my timing
chip went once and the engine went out. I had enough steering control
left, even without power steering, to pull my car over before it came
to a stop. If the drive by wire system has no "real" or active
connection, how can it work if the engine or electronics quit on you?
Are there any backups built into the system in case any of that stuff
happens? And what if your battery dies and you need to push the car?
Can you turn the steering wheel to adjust your wheels when you push the
car?

Much thanks, sorry to bother.

David

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