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Re: MAYBACH test drive...
| Thomas J. Paladino Jr. | 26 Sep 2004 09:11 |
>> The other day I saw a report where a DC spokesman admitted to >> difficulties [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Juergen "Baby Maybach"? Wouldn't that be more like a top-end Mercedes? If they plan to introduce such a product, then I really don't understand their marketing strategy (and I'm in marketing). I realize that at this point they need the brand to begin show some kind of return, but to force it by introducing a product that may very well cut into the sales of their bread-and-butter line just seems remarkably short-sighted. Unless MB conciously plans to downgrade the overall MB brand in favor of broader Maybach line (unlikely and foolhardy), introducing a 'small' Maybach will serve little purpose other than to confuse MB's top-end consumer by diminishing from the exclusivity of the Maybach brand (still it's major selling point), and at the same time reducing the desirability of the overall Mercedes line by conspicuously promoting another (presumably) similarly-priced product as a major step up from the 'standard' high end Mercedes.
If I were a marketing director with MB, I'd send this plan straight back to the drawing board.
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| Juergen . | 26 Sep 2004 01:55 |
> The other day I saw a report where a DC spokesman admitted to difficulties > in the top end (i.e. Maybach) sector. > Now there's a surprise. They miss sales figures by far - and they will never ever be able to make any money from the Maybach brand in the next ten years or so even in case the to-come Baby-Maybach (greetings to Stuttgart - I know you hate that expression!) will be a good seller as break-even is 15.000+ cars.
Juergen
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| Dori A Schmetterling | 25 Sep 2004 13:58 |
The other day I saw a report where a DC spokesman admitted to difficulties in the top end (i.e. Maybach) sector.
Now there's a surprise.
DAS
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>> Considering there is about 500 or so cars to be sold in US, I guess you >> need to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If there are only 500 in the US, then at least half of them are in NYC. I > see more Maybachs now than I have ever seen Rolls or Bentley. |
| Thomas J. Paladino Jr. | 23 Sep 2004 02:09 |
> Considering there is about 500 or so cars to be sold in US, I guess you > need to > charge a premium to keep a float. Besides, many corporations are willing > to pay > $350,000 for a car to take their CEOs around. You can write it off. If there are only 500 in the US, then at least half of them are in NYC. I see more Maybachs now than I have ever seen Rolls or Bentley.
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| Jay1Bala | 22 Sep 2004 15:01 |
<< but are they worth the USD 200 000 plus over the top S-Class? >><BR><BR>
Over the current S-class, yes. Over the early 90's S-class, may be not that much better, except in dynamics and interior opulence.
It is hard to quantify/justify $200,000. I must say, the engineering of the car is what you are paying for, not the content of it. Its how well, part from other Mercedes came together for a greater whole.
I would say if it had a $200,000 price tag, it would be in my driveway now. Its far superior to any Mercedes (as a whole car) ever made.
Considering there is about 500 or so cars to be sold in US, I guess you need to charge a premium to keep a float. Besides, many corporations are willing to pay $350,000 for a car to take their CEOs around. You can write it off.
I am not trying to defend the high price tag. Its overpriced, no need to beat around the bush. I just want more, at least more real content like a ground braking classic grill, classic headlights, not so droopy body, just about no trendy design (if so I would get a Toyota), turbo charged twin-DOHC V24 (yes 24... why not), and some nicer looking wheels...
Regards, Jayanthan (Jay) Bala. P.S. In the future please use: [PixMovieMaker@hitpix.net]
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| Dori A Schmetterling | 22 Sep 2004 11:04 |
Chauffeur-driven, dear Jay, chauffeur-driven...
More seriously, other than some of the detail, I would have thought you get just about most of this on an S-Class (even bearing your specific comment in mind).
I have a far lesser car (a 'mere' CLK), but with its relatively 'tiny' 218 hp 3.2 l engine I still get to 100+ mph in a frighteningly short time. The noise inside the cabin is somewhat higher, especially as it's a rag-top cabrio, but I accept that. The feel is of quality even there, and the ride is fine.
You have given the Maybach a lot of merit points, very nice, but are they worth the USD 200 000 plus over the top S-Class? (Other than the exclusivity/rarity/look-I'm-rich aspect.)
As I suggested in another, similar thread, admittedly without driving a Maybach, a top S and an SL together are a better, more economical proposition than a Maybach.
DAS
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| Jay1Bala | 22 Sep 2004 08:51 |
Finally got time to write something that needs a bit of thought.
You got about two hours to drive the car, I think I had it for three hours or so. I did not feel the time at all. Its very comfortable, never a felt bumps on the road, its silky ride is highly memorable; its least fatiguing... time flies in the car. It accelerates vigorously yet with the civility of a luxury automobile; no head snapping, yet you feel the pull, very strong like an aircraft about to be airborne.
During this massive acceleration, you can change lanes, overtake and get back to your original track--its truly a beautiful experience--its composure stays calm during all this. Speedometer reads 120 mph within few seconds during that maneuver, do not feel the speed at all. It felt like 70 mph or so ... except you begin to feel the cars in the front, traveling in your direction, suddenly speeding toward you. It can be a bit scary. The breaks are very powerful: In no time you are following the traffic! Only thought that goes through your mind at the end of this few seconds is, this is good, I want one! Though, I felt the steering wheel could be a bit tighter, sport mode or otherwise, it was a bit too free wheeling or may be I am used to tighter... I am not suggesting we go back to manual steering ... far from it.
The 57 Maybach, as big as it looks, its a nimble car. Its butter smooth and crisp in corners as well as in tight parking lots! I was very surprised. Interior is sweet. Seats, head rest, trims are the worlds best. Its just perfect. Some part of the dashboard uses real leather, but treated to look like suede. It makes for great look, but it shows finger marks too easily and that doesn't look good. I am sure you could lint-free cloth or something and wipe it down in on uniform direction and it would look super. I think such would be great on the 63 Maybach as its a driver-driven car, you sit at the back and enjoy the view.
The 600 some HP engine is well mated and felt precise. Though, it is typical of the SOHC of Mercedes of today. Somewhat tinny, light weight feeling and not so refined, reminds me of it as a "lease" car feeling. While the past SL600 or the S600 engine has a sense of weight and "command" is clearly absent. Paint job is first class, the one I tested was gray on silver dual tone. Its very classy, I loved it.
Unfortunately, the front grill is trendy than classy, it looks like they looked for inspiration form the International truck grill. I wish they designed a grill for the next 100 years. Head lights are nice, again, I would set the industrial design of the head lights to something of a classic shape "beaming with power." Its the eyes of the machine. May be Maybach should call me in to consult on overall theme/design or the ID of the car.
On U-turns or extreme sharp corners I couldn't break its back loose to swing the back to reposition the car. May be I should try it again, but there was something strange: On a U-turn from rest, when I tried to get the back to break away, the car instead tilted, sort of like sitting on its side feeling. My speculation is that the six or seven thousand pounds was thrown off and the self leveling may be doesn't kick in till a certain speed....
It does leave you with a somewhat mixed feeling of spending U$350,000 or so on it. I am still thinking. I need something, that final oomps, to just walk in there and buy one. Oh well...
Overall, it is a fine, ultra classy automobile.
Regards, Jayanthan (Jay) Bala. P.S. In the future please use: [PixMovieMaker@hitpix.net]
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