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Re: My Camry Failed Inspextion. Code O0401

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Re: My Camry Failed Inspextion. Code O0401

Jeff Strickland25 Feb 2008 03:54
> The problem with driving today's modern vehicles is that they are pretty
> reliable, and so it is easy to lose track of parts prices.  It seems like
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> cleaning. It barely makes 30 MPH with the engine revving, I'll have to
> investigate a little further.

My crystal ball shows a clutch in your future.

Ray O25 Feb 2008 00:55
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> I had suggested that since the EGR valve was cheap, and had to come off to
> clean the tube, one may as well replace it (or be ready to). It turns out
> the EGR is not cheap at all.

The problem with driving today's modern vehicles is that they are pretty
reliable, and so it is easy to lose track of parts prices.  It seems like
the only cheap parts on any car nowadays are fuses and light bulbs (other
than headlamps).

Just picked up a '93 Escort that had been sitting in a friend's driveway for
5 or 6 months.  It is going to need a new battery, a bunch of bulbs, and
rear shock supports.  The hood won't latch and the gear select lever takes a
lot of effort to move, hopefully those are just adjustments and cleaning.
It barely makes 30 MPH with the engine revving, I'll have to investigate a
little further.

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Jeff Strickland25 Feb 2008 00:11
>>>>> While cleaning the tube, won't the crumbs come down into the tube?  I
>>>>> assumed that I remove detach the tube from the valve, right?
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> I would not start replacing parts based on the price.  I would check the
> parts and their function first, then replace the part that tests bad.

Me too.

I had suggested that since the EGR valve was cheap, and had to come off to
clean the tube, one may as well replace it (or be ready to). It turns out
the EGR is not cheap at all.

Ray O24 Feb 2008 23:24
>>>> While cleaning the tube, won't the crumbs come down into the tube?  I
>>>> assumed that I remove detach the tube from the valve, right?
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> I'm an optomist, and this demands the expensive parts be robust. Assuming
> this is accurate, the EGR valve itself should be okay.

I would not start replacing parts based on the price.  I would check the
parts and their function first, then replace the part that tests bad.
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Jeff Strickland24 Feb 2008 23:09
>>> While cleaning the tube, won't the crumbs come down into the tube?  I
>>> assumed that I remove detach the tube from the valve, right?
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> mean, is it one part, or two parts?  Because it sounds to me, that there
> should be a valve and a sensor.  Thanks.

I'm pretty sure it is all one. Buy the new EGR valve, and use it to
determine the screws needed to get the old one off.

While it is off, you can snake a coat hanger or equivelent down the tube,
but I don't think you will find very much. I have never ever had an EGR
valve problem, and one of my brother's had trouble with one a long time ago.
He replaced the part, but I don't know what he may have done with the tube.

I agree with those that say it might be plugged, but my experience is that
none of mine have ever been plugged. If it is plugged, it is easy to clean,
but do not stress if you find it is clean already.

HOT OFF THE PRESSES
I found the EGR valve at napaonline.com for $174 and $194 (4- and 6-cyl,
respectively). This changes my approach a bit. There are other parts --  
control solenoid, for example -- that are less costly. I would rethink what
I would do in the face of a $200 part. I'd take a closer look at the tube,
and check the solenoid and sensor.

I'm an optomist, and this demands the expensive parts be robust. Assuming
this is accurate, the EGR valve itself should be okay.

Talal Itani24 Feb 2008 22:44
>> While cleaning the tube, won't the crumbs come down into the tube?  I
>> assumed that I remove detach the tube from the valve, right?
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> isn't very expensive, and you may as well replace it since you will take
> it off to clean the tube out.

Is the EGR valve the part that attached to the top of the EGR tube?  I mean,
is it one part, or two parts?  Because it sounds to me, that there should be
a valve and a sensor.  Thanks.

Jeff Strickland24 Feb 2008 22:16
> While cleaning the tube, won't the crumbs come down into the tube?  I
> assumed that I remove detach the tube from the valve, right?

That is not a problem. The crumbs fall into the exhaust manifold, and
eventually go out the tail pipe.

As a caveat, it is not likely that the tube needs to be cleaned. It's
possible, that is true, but the EGR valve itself is probably worn out. It
isn't very expensive, and you may as well replace it since you will take it
off to clean the tube out.

Talal Itani24 Feb 2008 22:08
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>
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> shake out the crumbs.  If that doesn't work, replace the EGR valve and
> tube if they are clogged.

While cleaning the tube, won't the crumbs come down into the tube?  I
assumed that I remove detach the tube from the valve, right?

Ray O24 Feb 2008 16:43
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> At 130,000 miles, there is a fairly good possibility that the EGR tube is
>> blocked, especially if the car has mostly city miles.  The EGR tube is
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> clean?  If it is a blocked tube, how deep down do I need to go, while
> clearing it?  Thanks.

You did not mention whether you have the 4 or 6 cylinder engine, but the EGR
valve looks like this:
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/details/QQToyotaQQCamryQQOE_ServiceQQEGR_Valve
QQ19972001QQW0133-1603325.html


The EGR valve for the 4 cylinder is pictured but the one for the 6 will look
pretty much the same.  The EGR valve is attached with 4 bolts - 2 on the
inlet and 2 on the outlet.  Remove the EGR valve and the metal tube attached
to it, and dig out the carbon buildup from inside the EGR and tube with a an
old screwdriver or awl.  Get out as much as you can and shake out the
crumbs.  If that doesn't work, replace the EGR valve and tube if they are
clogged.
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Talal Itani24 Feb 2008 15:57
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
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> blocked, especially if the car has mostly city miles.  The EGR tube is the
> metal tube that is attached to the EGR valve.

How is the tube detached in order to clean it?  Are they other parts to
clean?  If it is a blocked tube, how deep down do I need to go, while
clearing it?  Thanks.

Ray O24 Feb 2008 06:36
>>> Hello,
>>>
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>
> The car has 130,000 miles.  Is the EGR tube the metal tube?
At 130,000 miles, there is a fairly good possibility that the EGR tube is
blocked, especially if the car has mostly city miles.  The EGR tube is the
metal tube that is attached to the EGR valve.
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Talal Itani24 Feb 2008 01:23
>> Hello,
>>
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> tube is blocked with carbon buildup.  If that is the case, you can try to
> dig out some of the carbon or replace the EGR valve and tube.

The car has 130,000 miles.  Is the EGR tube the metal tube?

Ray O23 Feb 2008 23:54
> Hello,
>
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> Thanks,
> Talal Itani

How many miles are on the car?  With the engine idling, apply vacuum to the
EGR valve and see if the engine starts to idle roughly or start to die.  If
that happens, check the EGR position sensor.  If the engine does not start
to die, check the EGR tube for blockage.  Most likely, the EGR tube is
blocked with carbon buildup.  If that is the case, you can try to dig out
some of the carbon or replace the EGR valve and tube.
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Talal Itani23 Feb 2008 23:37
Hello,

My Camry '97 just failed inspection.  It is code P0401. 'Exhaust Gas
Recirculation Flow Insufficient Detected.'  Would you please give me your
recommendations.

Thanks,
Talal Itani

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