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Re: Toyota/Honda vs American

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Re: Toyota/Honda vs American

MelvinGibson@mailcity.com27 Apr 2005 15:05
You are entitled to believe whatever you wish.  I chose to
disagree with your opinion however, because of my own experiences
over the years.  That is after all what we are expressing here,
opinions.  I happen to own a 1971 Pinto, that I purchased new in
1970.  It has lasted for a lot more than you perceived 100K.
There is currently 298,000 miles on the clock and all original.
The only repairs have been s clutch at 210K and a Carbon and
valve job in February.   I own a half dozen old cars that I take
to old cars shows.  I see old cars for the US, England, Germany,
even Italy but I have never seen any Japanese cars from the
seventies at any of those shows let alone one with the 150K you
believe they will exclusively achieve. All manufactures build
some on occasion that are not up to their build standards for the
class in which they compete, that is why the all have a
warranty.  From what we see in our fleet service business, that
services nearly every brand on the market, is that ANY brand on
the market today will easily run 200K and more if properly
serviced. That is not an opinion but a fact and we have the
records to support that conclusion.  The only real difference we
see in todays vehicles is style and price, period.  I prefer
a particular style of vehicle and that is RWD and V8 powered.  I
want to buy those that will cost me the least amount of money to
replace every two years.  That is my choice, others may chose
differently and that is their privilege as well.

mike hunt

> There is another thread about new Lexus and Toyota models that has just run
> too long. Accordingly, I wanted to spin off that conversation with a new
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> build. But my point is that THE MARKET prices Toy/Hon vehicles to last about
> 50% longer).

D.D. Palmer27 Apr 2005 11:17
There is another thread about new Lexus and Toyota models that has just run
too long. Accordingly, I wanted to spin off that conversation with a new
thread. There was discussion about buying Lexus versus Lincoln. One of the
things that I realized is that, more or less, Toyota/Honda vehicles are
priced by the market, both new and used, as if the car will last 150,000
miles while American vehicles are generally priced as if the vehicles will
last 100,000 miles. Meaning that at 50,000MI, a Honda/Toyota will still be
worth about 2/3 of the original price while an American vehicle will be
worth about half. This is merely a very rough rule of thumb, but something
I've noticed. Even new, the US vehicles can't be sold unless Detroit rebates
it's way to a sale, so the "out the door" price is much less than the "out
the door" price of a Toy/Hon. Even though the sticker prices are similar.
Again, this seems to reflect that the market assumes the Toy/Hon will go
150,000 miles before major trouble vs merely 100,000 for the US vehicle. My
point is that buying similar sized-categorized vehicles from Toy/Hon vs US
is no longer an apples to apples comparison. (I realize that many vehicles
go 200,000 to 300,000 miles...maybe more....of both American and Japanese
build. But my point is that THE MARKET prices Toy/Hon vehicles to last about
50% longer).

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